vx-6 3-18x50 or 4-24x52

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50vmaxshooter

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In the process of putting together a long range 308 for my son. Pretty good chances is going to be a 5R remington 700 or possibly a Ruger Precision Rifle. We are tying to decide which scope. The vx-6 3-18x50 or 4-24x52 with the TMOA. I have never owed anything over 20 power. So I curious it the extra little bit of power is worth the money difference? What are your guys input if you have these scopes. He is wanting to get to 800-1000 yrds. Sticking with 308 due to having a ton of ammo verses going to a different caliber. Any info is helpful. Thanks in advance.
 
20" 308 @ 800-1000 when that ruger comes in a 26" 7.7 twist 243 and a 24" 8 twist 6.5. Though I believe the 5r can be had in a 24" 308, so there is that. Always something to be said for trigger time though, if going 308 truly affords him more, then it may make up for its handicap.

On the power issue, I am a power junky, I absolutely would go for the 4-24, question is when is having 4 power vs 3 on the low end ever going to compromise his shooting? Never? Then get the 4-24


If this is just a target gun, at the $800-$1200 price point I'm going Sightron SIII 8-32x56.
 
50vmaxshooter: I actually have the Remington 5R in 223, 308, & now a 300WM. When I first got the 308, it had my NF NXS 5.5-22x50 on it. Now that scope sits on my 300WM. But, if I could afford another NXS @ this time, it would definitely be on my 308 5R!! I've had the 308 out past 1000 yds. But, it's way easier with the 22 power NF! Unless $$$ is too much an issue, I'd always go to the highest magnification possible. But, that's just me. Some internet shooters tell you 10x is plenty, but, not for these "old-eyes"! I haven't had the chance to look through the new VX-6's yet, but, I've read good things about them. I still like the NF's, & I'm patiently saving for another!!!! Idaho-45-5R
 
Originally Posted By: calling4life


If this is just a target gun, at the $800-$1200 price point I'm going Sightron SIII 8-32x56.


+1 The Leupolds just aren't up to the repetitive task (if he will be shooting it A LOT turning, turning, turning). The Sightron is a MUCH better target scope. The lupy better on hunting/carry gun.

If your set on the VX-6 though. GO for the x24.
 
I got to shoot a 300WM last weekend, it was wearing a VX6 x24 . I did not twist on it much, as the range was close, but the glass sure is a step for Leupold .

I'd love one in x12 for a hunting rig.
 
Seeing better is hitting better. I would go for power on top for a dedicated long range gun. Sightron S3. My buddy has the Viper pst on his 5r 300win. But I havent shot it past 500.
 
I'm not into banging steel and it seems a bit silly to me, but the guys who are into it prefer mil reticules. I figure they know what they're talking about.
 
For long range 800 to 1000 and beyond, I would go mil at 1/10 instead of Moa at 1/4 adjustments.it's a lot more precise. But that's just me... Front focal plane with mil retical and mil turrets.
 
Originally Posted By: tugboaterFor long range 800 to 1000 and beyond, I would go mil at 1/10 instead of Moa at 1/4 adjustments.it's a lot more precise. But that's just me... Front focal plane with mil retical and mil turrets.

I love the GREAT information on this site sometimes. Please check into this before posting. You could not be more wrong...


Speaking in "easy" terms and leaving off long decimals 1/4 MOA is ~.25 inches at 100 yards. 1/10 "Mil" radian is ~.36" at 100 yards. Just because the fraction is smaller doesn't mean the value is smaller...

Other than "the military uses it"; the main reason most guys like "mils", which is really "milliradian" is because the metric system is easier. It's based on 10 verses 4, 6, 12 or some other number that's hard to divide in your head. Yet most carpenter, workers, and even laymen in the US still like/use/prefer feet, inches & the fraction of inches verses meters, decimeters, centimeters & millimeters (all decimal or factions based on 10, which is "easier"). If you still use inches, feet, yards instead of meters, you can still be OK with MOA scopes...

Mils to MOA is the exact same thing as meters to yards; exactly... No not the same measurement of length, the exact "base" of measurement. MOA is "minute of angle", based off the English measurement of a degree. You know, 90 degrees is straight up & down, 45 degrees is a perfect slant. Well one radian is most near 57.296 degrees. As you likely know in the metric system; deci is .1 (1/10), centi is.01 (1/100), & milli is .001 (1/1000) of a unit. So one milliradian (mil as it's called) is .001 radian. So to convert that to English, 57.296 degrees (one radian) divided by 1000 is equal to .0573 degrees. To get that down more precise for shooting, they break the down in tenths because .0573 degrees (1 mill) is still ~3.6" (3.594" to more precise). So 1/10 "mil" or .1 milliradian is really .0001 of a radian (or .0001 times 57.296 degrees=.00573 degrees).

Now, for the English units, I'm sure you know that one degree is 60/60 minutes (again, here is those hard to divide odd number denominators, a 6 instead of a 10). And 1 minute is 60/60 "seconds" (no not talking about time, we're talking angles still). So 1/4 of a minute is also 15/60 seconds (15 is a quarter of 60) or .0042 degrees (.25/60 minutes).

So there we have converted one tenth mill radian & 1/4 MOA to decimal value of "degrees" --- .00573 verses .00420. At 100 yards this converts to .358 inches & .262 inches. Similar triangles says that at 1000 yards (hear we are finding it easy to multiply & divide by 10) shows that one "click" in a MOA scope moves you 2.6" (if your gun is a laser & shoot one hole groups that far) and .1 "mil" moves you 3.6" at 1000. Again, it's easy to see the MOA scope is more precise although not in the popular belief...

The ONLY advantage of a "mil" scope (unless your ranging in meters & not yards) is that you can talk in shorter decimal or easier fractional values of a whole. If you know how to speak in fractions of 4 and usually base your ranges on yardages, nothing wrong with MOA and may be better (again contrary to popular belief).

Yes most PRS guys have switch to "mils" but it amazes me the competitions still give ranges in yardages. It's just bass ackwards...

 
Sorry for the long post with numbers & math. I know most guys will blow the prior post off soon as the numbers appear. But for those who really want to know & understand please read carefully & let it sink in. PM me if it doesn't make sense, I can explain with fact instead of you getting false info from the "internet"...
 
Originally Posted By: coleridgeOriginally Posted By: tugboaterFor long range 800 to 1000 and beyond, I would go mil at 1/10 instead of Moa at 1/4 adjustments.it's a lot more precise. But that's just me... Front focal plane with mil retical and mil turrets.

I love the GREAT information on this site sometimes. Please check into this before posting. You could not be more wrong...


Speaking in "easy" terms and leaving off long decimals 1/4 MOA is ~.25 inches at 100 yards. 1/10 "Mil" radian is ~.36" at 100 yards. Just because the fraction is smaller doesn't mean the value is smaller...

Other than "the military uses it"; the main reason most guys like "mils", which is really "milliradian" is because the metric system is easier. It's based on 10 verses 4, 6, 12 or some other number that's hard to divide in your head. Yet most carpenter, workers, and even laymen in the US still like/use/prefer feet, inches & the fraction of inches verses meters, decimeters, centimeters & millimeters (all decimal or factions based on 10, which is "easier"). If you still use inches, feet, yards instead of meters, you can still be OK with MOA scopes...

Mils to MOA is the exact same thing as meters to yards; exactly... No not the same measurement of length, the exact "base" of measurement. MOA is "minute of angle", based off the English measurement of a degree. You know, 90 degrees is straight up & down, 45 degrees is a perfect slant. Well one radian is most near 57.296 degrees. As you likely know in the metric system; deci is .1 (1/10), centi is.01 (1/100), & milli is .001 (1/1000) of a unit. So one milliradian (mil as it's called) is .001 radian. So to convert that to English, 57.296 degrees (one radian) divided by 1000 is equal to .0573 degrees. To get that down more precise for shooting, they break the down in tenths because .0573 degrees (1 mill) is still ~3.6" (3.594" to more precise). So 1/10 "mil" or .1 milliradian is really .0001 of a radian (or .0001 times 57.296 degrees=.00573 degrees).

Now, for the English units, I'm sure you know that one degree is 60/60 minutes (again, here is those hard to divide odd number denominators, a 6 instead of a 10). And 1 minute is 60/60 "seconds" (no not talking about time, we're talking angles still). So 1/4 of a minute is also 15/60 seconds (15 is a quarter of 60) or .0042 degrees (.25/60 minutes).

So there we have converted one tenth mill radian & 1/4 MOA to decimal value of "degrees" --- .00573 verses .00420. At 100 yards this converts to .358 inches & .262 inches. Similar triangles says that at 1000 yards (hear we are finding it easy to multiply & divide by 10) shows that one "click" in a MOA scope moves you 2.6" (if your gun is a laser & shoot one hole groups that far) and .1 "mil" moves you 3.6" at 1000. Again, it's easy to see the MOA scope is more precise although not in the popular belief...

The ONLY advantage of a "mil" scope (unless your ranging in meters & not yards) is that you can talk in shorter decimal or easier fractional values of a whole. If you know how to speak in fractions of 4 and usually base your ranges on yardages, nothing wrong with MOA and may be better (again contrary to popular belief).

Yes most PRS guys have switch to "mils" but it amazes me the competitions still give ranges in yardages. It's just bass ackwards...






Good for you on the correction of my opinion. Like you said.... The Internet!
 
Originally Posted By: tugboater
Good for you on the correction of my opinion. Like you said.... The Internet!

Opinion?

Originally Posted By: tugboaterFor long range 800 to 1000 and beyond, I would go mil at 1/10 instead of Moa at 1/4 adjustments.it's a lot more precise. But that's just me... Front focal plane with mil retical and mil turrets.

Sounds like you where stating a fact... A false fact that may confuse someone that didn't know better. I sure would hate for someone to drop the coin on a new "lot more precise" Mil scope only to find out later they went backwards.

Please don't take this as a pissing contest, I'm tired of those. Just trying to get FACTUAL information out so someone can draw their own conclusion from there.
 
Got a Leupold CDS 3-18x50, with the varmint rectical awhile back, and really like it. Is it enough for 800-1000 yards, I'm not sure, but I will say that I much prefer the wider field of view of the 3 power, over Leupold's 4 power, for normal hunting situations. I do a lot of target shooting wit scopes that max out at 32x, and normally set t hem to around 24x. I just cant imagine using over 18x in a true hunting situation, then again I have never had the opportunity to have a shot over 400 yds.
 


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