Walmart Makes An Interesting Multi Faceted Case

woodguru

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It's easy to come off with knee jerk attitudes to Walmart employees striking, but there are many sides to the issue.

This company has successfully managed to keep unions out, but has had to resort to laying off entire departments when it gets wind of union organizers getting closer to getting the support it needs.

So you would think that Walmart's owners would reward employee loyalty considering the fact that it made something like $45 billion dollars last year.

Some would say that $8.00 an hour leading to $12.00 an hour after several years is not a ticket to prosperity, add to that what has been called expensive healthcare plans and Walmart is not the model of how to treat employees well. All employees don't have to be started at more, but good employees need a path to decent wages, and this is a company that cannot make an argument that it does not have the revenue to do so.

And I can hear it now, at least they have a job. Quite frankly this illustrates how someone trying to raise kids would be better off on welfare than working 40 hours a week at $8.00 an hour.

So sitting there with a successful company that hires tens of thousands of people, wouldn't it make sense for them to start thinking what it could do to make their employees lives better? Rather than fighting a constant battle to keep unions out (many would make the argument that they could sure use union help) wouldn't it make more sense to willingly arrive at a place in the middle of where they are now and what they could expect to have to pay out under union guidelines?

A gradual series of raises and picking up some of the health care would keep employees happy enough that they would not be open to union encroachment. The fact is that without the burden of union dues coming out of wages that point where employees are making what they would be making if they had a union is several dollars an hour less than where they'll be if a union gets a foot in the door. This is stupidly greedy management at it's worst.

I will not cry for Walmart when it happens that they get worked over by unions, poor things, making over $40 billion a year and can't kick back to their employees.

As a model Walmart sucks, it's a model of greed. It's an example of jobs makers with zero appreciation for their employees. CEO's and managers seem to expect bonuses, where's the bonuses for the employees of companies that do this well? Where do they get rewarded for doing the jobs that make this profit possible.
 
The part time employee system keeps the taxpayers providing support for them. A part time employee that is single and has one child doesn't pay any income tax but gets a big refund because of Earned Income Credit of about $3000, top this off they qualify for food stamps, another $3000 to $4000 a year depending on what state they live in.

Then you can add in all of the other state and federal benefits that they qualify for. With the above and the other benefits the total could exceed $10,000 in non taxable benefits paid for by tax dollars. That is not even figuring in Obamacare, that is another barrel of worms to keep track of.

If they were converted to full time, there would be loss of jobs, but at the same time, the tax dollars would be saved. Then the part timers that became unemployed would be forced to look for other jobs to maintain their tax supported living standards. Maybe some of the illegals would be let go so these "great" American companies could stop breaking the law.
 
Typical liberal braindead post. If you don't want to work there fine. You union bloodsuckers need to crawl back under your rock. Better yet, I think gunbroker.com and firingline.com forum posters are missing their village idiot. I know that like us they made fun of you and showed you a great deal of disrespect because of your looney ideas and your numerous posts bragging about what a dangerous guy you are, OK? But look, we've suffered through enough of your BS here for long enough, maybe it's time to let them pick up where they left off for a while, huh?
 
The union is a great idea whose time ran out about 50 years ago. Want to make more than 8 bucks an hour? Great! Get a skill. I have no love for WalMart, but won't begrudge them the ability to pay people whatever they want. If the job sucks so bad, go somewhere else.
 
Originally Posted By: LedgeThe union is a great idea whose time ran out about 50 years ago. Want to make more than 8 bucks an hour? Great! Get a skill. I have no love for WalMart, but won't begrudge them the ability to pay people whatever they want. If the job sucks so bad, go somewhere else.

x2 no one is forcing anybody to work there. If you don't think you are getting compensated for the work you do go somewhere else, maybe they will. They seem to find enough people to work for them with what they offer now. If they want to strike good for them, I hope they do get better wages and benefits but I'm not going to begrudge Wal-Mart for keeping out unions. Unions ruin what are otherwise good workers.
 
I for one am elated to see 2 new or relatively new members from Maine who are showing a great deal of good sense. Welcome guys, we need all the help we can get.
 
woodguru, loc: california....... hmm how's those unions working out for ya out there? Oh ya, that's the place where all the town's are filling bankruptcy because of pension overload.

I for one utterly loath unions and for about ten years worked for a company that specialized in busting them. Ever heard of Jay Maine or International Falls Mn? I was right in the thick of those and loved every second of it.

Walmart has every right to keep unions out and while I don't, wont shop there I fully support them in what they are doing.
The union workers that I have had the displeasure of having to work around did nothing but cause strife, contention and [beeep] continually. Besides, you had to pound a stake next to most of them to see if they had even moved during the day, not to mention the crap work they did.
 
I have thought about putting an app into walmart. Why bust your a** for 11 a hour when you can slack off for 9.50? Plus since it's about the only place to buy anything in my town the employee discount make up for what you are losing in pay.

I went to school for plumbing and have worked as a carpenter but in my area those jobs have closed their doors.
 
How many relatives you got working at Walmart Woodrot?

Sister-in-law and her son both work at Wallyworld, neither of whom are very ambitious. Sister-in-law is not the happy type, in fact, one might say she's just got a bad attitude about a lot of things. I honestly don't know that either of them are worth what they're getting paid there.

Wife works for a company that does product set up in Walmart, works 3 stores. Wallyworld finds it more cost effective to hire outside help to set product up, and do it right, than to try and get the help they have hired to do their job now. You seem to think the Union is going to fix that, but the fact of the matter is, grumpy lazy people don't make great employees, they make Walmart employees. While they would make good union members, unions don't make companies money, they make the unions money, make employees a LITTLE MORE money, and make the companies go broke meeting their demands. The auto-makers will be glad to attest to that if you need someone to pound it into your termite infested head for you.

So while you might think Unions would fix Walmart employees, they won't. What they'll do is get a whole bunch of folks fired for failing to meet performance standards demanded of an employee that is costing the company a great deal more money. And, make the price of everything Walmart sells increase dramatically, in turn breaking the company.

Go crawl back under your rock and mold a little longer, as usual your views are severely twisted, in the wrong direction.
 
If your skillset maxes out at placing a can of beans on the shelf marked beans, dont [beeep] about making minimum wage, if your skillset is higher, dont work at wallmart

Its not that hard to figure oit.

And stop bitching about corporate 'greed'. Their job is to make money. Until you start contributing everything you make to wellfare, you have 0 ground to complain about companies making money.
 
Originally Posted By: NdIndy
And stop bitching about corporate 'greed'. Their job is to make money. Until you start contributing everything you make to wellfare, you have 0 ground to complain about companies making money.

It's the common Marxist rant, Indy. I'm sure he loses sleep at night thinking about what poor souls need his money more than he does. It's a good thing he isn't in government, he would spend his waking hours trying to control the world like Zero. Then he could confiscate the wealth of the working section of this country and redistribute it in ways that only someone with his intellect would be able to do to the proud owners of Zero phones, in an effort to better their lot in life.
 
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Walmart moved into my town and put Alco and Pamida out of business. Those are also chains, mainly in the midwest, but way over priced.

Walmart sells the same Chinese manufactured stuff Alco and Pamida sold. The exact same stuff, only a wider variety.

Alco and Pamida paid all of their staff minimum wage with no benefits. When those stores closed, most of their employees went to work at Walmart making around $10 with some benefits.

Minimum wage with no benefits at the other stores, to $10 per hour with some benefits at Walmart. I'd say the employees benefited from Walmart.

Union folks blast Walmart for not paying $20 per hour with full benefits, but how many mom and pop stores do you know of that pay their employees above minimum wage with any kind of medical or retirement? None of them do. None.

So Walmart is good for employees. It just is. Their alternative would be $7.25/hr and no benefits working somewhere else.

As far as Walmart thwarting union efforts by laying off workers who are considering organizing, I call bullcrap. It is against federal law to take action against any employee engaged in any legal aspect of collective bargaining. Something so minor as to threaten employees who are considering organizing is a felony, punishable by up to 5 years in federal prison. An, no, I do not think a Walmart manager is willing to risk federal prison for his job. So I have to throw the BS flag, unless you can cite a specific instance of it happening, in which case I would like to see the NLRB case file on it.
 
Originally Posted By: frozenbuttI have thought about putting an app into walmart. Why bust your a** for 11 a hour when you can slack off for 9.50? Plus since it's about the only place to buy anything in my town the employee discount make up for what you are losing in pay.

I went to school for plumbing and have worked as a carpenter but in my area those jobs have closed their doors.

I have a friend that I served with in Vietnam, he is a master electrician, when he was laid off there was no work in his area. He was thankful when he got a job at Walmart, as he said the pay sucked, but it was better than nothing. He has been there 3 years, everytime I hear from him, he remarks about how shotty they are treated. Because of his wife's job, moving is out of the question, so he sticks it out while looking for something better, one more year and his SS kicks in.
 
Originally Posted By: dogcatcherOriginally Posted By: frozenbuttI have thought about putting an app into walmart. Why bust your a** for 11 a hour when you can slack off for 9.50? Plus since it's about the only place to buy anything in my town the employee discount make up for what you are losing in pay.

I went to school for plumbing and have worked as a carpenter but in my area those jobs have closed their doors.

I have a friend that I served with in Vietnam, he is a master electrician, when he was laid off there was no work in his area. He was thankful when he got a job at Walmart, as he said the pay sucked, but it was better than nothing. He has been there 3 years, everytime I hear from him, he remarks about how shotty they are treated. Because of his wife's job, moving is out of the question, so he sticks it out while looking for something better, one more year and his SS kicks in.

I worked at one for a summer while in school for plumbing. For the amount of work you do the pay really isn't that bad, there is alot worse jobs for that rate of pay. Worst part of that job was dealing with the customers but I was working in the metro area of the twin cities that happened to be right next to some low income projects.
 
My son in law works a a wall mart distribution center.Been there for years so he can't get better pay in this area.Daughter has a job with better insurance which helps.Their insurance is not to good and cost the employee a lot.
I lost my job and wall mart was having a job fair so I went.They hired me on the spot.In two days I knew I had made a mistake,I went to my boss and told her before we went any further I didn't think it would work out and I was leaving.She gave me a 2 dollar o the hour to stay.That still just brought me up to 9 something.Had been used to making 22 something so I thought I had better try to find something in my field which I was very lucky to do.I had a good work record.Had worked the same place for 17 years never missed a day,never late,never written up for anything.So when a job like I did before opened up in next town I was glad to get it.Wall mart is all the things listed above.It is better than some but I was so thankful I was able to find work in my field.I hated wall mart and was not there but two days.If I did not have a job I would be glad to work there,but I would be looking high and low for something else.
 
Originally Posted By: frozenbuttI worked at one for a summer while in school for plumbing. For the amount of work you do the pay really isn't that bad, there is alot worse jobs for that rate of pay. Worst part of that job was dealing with the customers but I was working in the metro area of the twin cities that happened to be right next to some low income projects.

Uhmmmmm... FB, I ain't seen no Wally World in a high rent district! Can't honestly say I ever seen any high rent district souls slummin at WallyWorld either.
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Originally Posted By: Rocky1
Uhmmmmm... FB, I ain't seen no Wally World in a high rent district! Can't honestly say I ever seen any high rent district souls slummin at WallyWorld either.
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No kidding, The wife always tries to go to Target. The thing that po's me about wallyworld is the lack of help. I'm all for competition but K-mart in its day always had an employee in every department. Around here wal mart has none. You need to walk around the entire store to find someone. As far as a union, junk is expensive enough. Don't need to make it any worse.
 
Originally Posted By: dogcatcherI have a friend that I served with in Vietnam, he is a master electrician, when he was laid off there was no work in his area. He was thankful when he got a job at Walmart, as he said the pay sucked, but it was better than nothing. He has been there 3 years, everytime I hear from him, he remarks about how shotty they are treated. Because of his wife's job, moving is out of the question, so he sticks it out while looking for something better, one more year and his SS kicks in.

To paraphrase...

He needed a job. Walmart gave him one. And Walmart is evil.
 
One of the ways waalmart hurts people is that people who don't have much money go to that store and shop.Then buy junk stuff they don't need.They would be much better off if they bought a potato but they buy some trinket that falls apart.Hard on the kids to do without when money is spent at walmart.Not the stores fault I know,but they know they are getting rich praying on the poor people.There is something morally wrong with that.It was a better country before walmart.
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootistNot the stores fault I know,but they know they are getting rich praying on the poor people.There is something morally wrong with that.It was a better country before walmart.
I'm thinking that if they can't live inside a budget, and the marketing that Walmart employs is powerful enough to make them spend their grocery money on junk, then maybe they aren't a great addition to the gene pool. This country was better before personal responsibility went out the window.
 


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