Watt did you say? A question for FoxProSteve????

Nahuatl

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Steve,

Reposting this where you might see it.

Though I've looked a bit here and there I haven't found too many tech specs for this hot new caller. Just for comparison's sake....

What would you estimate is the wattage of each of those dual amplifiers? or the sensitivity (db/watt) of those speakers? or the decibel level of the caller at full volume with a fresh charge on good batteries?

I know the critters don't really care about this stuff.

I hope I'll see a few of these in the field this year for first hand evaluation. That new Snow Crow muther humper is a monsta!


Gary /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Nahuatl-this is copied from previous post- I hope it helps answer some of your questions. MH
Foxpro FX3 Signal-to-Noise Ratio and Dynamic Range

1) The FX3 S/N ratio is 85 dB unweighted, and the dynamic range is 108 dB. These measurements were obtained utilizing the entire digital and analog signal paths.

2) The maximum theoretical S/N ratio of any 16 bit digital device (including our FX3) is 96 dB. This number equates to 6 dB per bit. However, you must allow 1 bit for the noise reference. The best practical S/N ratio is therefore 15 bits times 6 dB, or 90 dB. This is universally accepted in the electrical engineering world.

3) Full system measurements will nearly never produce S/N numbers of 90 dB or more without lies, trickery, or blue smoke and mirrors.

4) Always view with great skepticism any huckster who quotes a higher number, such as 110 dB. You should demand an explanation, but be prepared for lots of anger, hate, and doubletalk.

5) For reference, the S/N ratio of a vinyl record is 60 dB, a cassette w/out Dolby is around 55 dB, and a typical CD player about 80 dB. In the world of wildlife callers, if the playback S/N level exceeds 70 dB or so, further improvement offers no practical advantage in the vast majority of cases due simply to fact that the S/N ratio of most recording devices and microphones rarely exceed this figure.

Thanks,
Steve Dillon
 
Montana Hunter,
This is copied from the same thread as you are quoting, and is basically the same question as Nahuatl has asked.

As you said, speaker sensitivity is important.
Quote: The more important number is the sensitivity of the speaker.
Can you tell me/us the sensistivity of your speakers in dB/watt/meter. It would be nice to have the numbers for the FX3 and the old one since you are still making it.
If you would also post the amplifier output in Watts RMS for both callers it would be helpful. I have tried to get the numbers on the old caller in the past, but was unsuccessful. I hope that you don't consider that one of the loaded questions you mentioned, because my questions are just my own. For now the two numbers will do.

What you copied is not the answer to Nahuatl's question.
 
Through the years, even my old ears have noticed that some things are just ))LOUDER(( than others.... babies are louder at 3 am, my girlfriend is louder when she's mad, a rock band is always louder than a string quartet, my .338 with the BOSS is much louder than any crowned rifle barrel.... and the electronic caller on my pickup that I use for coyote howling and night hunting, built from an Ipod, a 30 watt single-channel public address amplifier, and a TOA SC-130 speaker, is a whole lot louder than any tape deck or cd player or ANY remote caller I've ever used. Maybe that much VOLUME isn't necessary, and Mr. Coyote with his big ears is going to run to any squealing school girl noise he hears regardless of volume... but on a windy night, I'd like to believe that the extra sound helps pull those eyes out of the distant darkness and into rifle/shotgun range. I don't really know what difference all that volume makes, but at least when the ranch dogs bark back at me from some place that is obviously two or more miles away, and the wind is just right and I'm lucky enough to hear them responding, I know my howler is carrying the mail. That's the reason I asked my couple of semi-naive questions before. Restated, I'd ask,”How loud is it?"

"How loud can it be running on flashlight batteries?"

If I were electronically and mathematically inclined, I suppose I could do a few calculations of my own and figure what the maximum wattage available from a pocket full of AAA batteries might be. B.M. (love those initials, they fit him so well) touts 13-14 watts out of his remote caller using a gel-cell. That un-named caller hurts my ears though it isn't near as loud as sitting in a foxhole behind a 155. What is the S/N ratio of a howitzer anyway?

All speakers are not created equal either. I tend to like monaural sound, single channel amps, and one single speaker on my rat squeak broadcaster, but that's just me. Stereo-style is fine too and a jillion critters have died coming to converted car stereos and boom boxes. But when I rigged the caller on the truck using a TOA CA-130 p.a., I tested several speakers in a very unscientific fashion. The ear test. For some reason that TOA speaker is ))LOUDER(( than the JBL's, the Panasonic, and the Radio Shack speakers I tried and it didn't matter if I used one speaker, or two, wired in series or parallel. The TOA won hands down. Two coyotes showed up during the test. From the barking out on the back 40, even they picked the TOA! I suppose that gets me back to my original speaker sensitivity question. And that's why I said all speakers aren't created equal.

One of the guys in my club has an FPIII on order, and one of these days we’ll stand it side by side with a Loudmouth, a WT, the TOA setup I mentioned, and whatever else we can muster and we’ll give it a totally unscientific ear test and maybe we’ll get to kill test them too. I wish Snowcamoman had a copy of my 12volt mobile rig so he could compare it to his box full of remote callers. He could include it in his test, just for comparison's sake, put his little decibel meter in front of that speaker, and answer my real questions.

"So, how loud is it?"

and

"Does it make any difference to Mr. Coyote?"
 
Nahuatl,


Here is the information you requested on the FX3:

The following numbers are at full output measured @ 1 meter from the speaker with a 1 kHz tone and with the internal 9.6volt 2300mah battery pack:

Internal Cone Speaker 98dB
Internal Horn Speaker 112dB
Large External Speaker 120dB

One thing to remember like all components speakers have some tolerance so the numbers may be +/- 2dB from caller to caller.

The FX3 is mono. The reason for the two speakers is to get the advantages of both cone and horn speakers. In most cases you will see little benefit to using both speakers you should choose the speaker that best suits your needs.

I have not tried the dB test with an external 12 volt gel cell but looking at the voltage to output graph this will yield around a 2 watt gain which relates to a dB or so of acoustical output.

The big advantage to the gel cell is run times not so much the louder volume. There is simply more capacity in a large gel cell (7-8 amp hour). With the internal batteries you can expect to get 4-5 hours with very loud calling and with a gel cell I would suspect this time to more then double.

I agree the TOA is a great speaker as is ours, but we liked ours better because it has a little flatter response and it is made in the USA. I had a customer order a FX3 and he told me he had a TOA speaker… he asked me if he should order one of our large external speakers…. and I said “no the TOA is great speaker…. I would not spend the money since you have a TOA… because you would not see enough difference to justify buying another speaker”… but I also said “ If I had to chose a large external speaker and did not have one I would go with ours because it has a flatter response.” I don’t ever want it to be said that I think the TOA is bad speaker because it is not.


HTH,
Steve
 
Thanks for your thoughtful and well-crafted reply. I really appreciate the time you spent posting the info.... Steve, I give you guys an "A" for sales service.

Gary
 


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