What bullet in Winchester White Box 45 Gr 223????
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Dave Allen
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hello, it shot ok thru my gun,however the two coyotes i shot with it were blown up pretty bad. probably depends on what a person is using the ammo for. if there were prairie dogs around here it would probably work pretty good as it seems very explosive to me.maybe others have different results i'm not a bullet pro but i don't recognize the bullet type either. good luck...
I'm pretty sure they're just Winchester bulk bullets. They are designed for small varmints, so they're relatively explosive. They work wonders making red mist of small furry things, but they can be a bit harsh on coyote hides. Stay off bone and in the center of the vitals and you may salvage some. If you just want dead coyotes, they'll work well enough.
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I went to the Midway web site and found Winchester bullets...they listed a 46 grain (not 45) hollow-point, but the picture does not necessarily look the same as the 45 grain bullet in the white box ammo???? interesting.
Proprietary? It's simply not economically feasible for them to get the bullets somewhere else. For the price of that ammo they've got to be using bulk Win bullets. It just doesn't add up otherwise (at least to me).
I went to the Midway web site and found Winchester bullets...they listed a 46 grain (not 45) hollow-point, but the picture does not necessarily look the same as the 45 grain bullet in the white box ammo???? interesting.
Proprietary? It's simply not economically feasible for them to get the bullets somewhere else. For the price of that ammo they've got to be using bulk Win bullets. It just doesn't add up otherwise (at least to me).
Bayou City Boy
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The 46 grain WW bullet has a rounder nose profile and is actually made for the 22 Hornet and similar velocities.
Maybe someone has used them in 223's or 22-250's and knows, but I don't know how much velocity they will hold up to. But, they are definitely a different bullet than the 45 grain WW white box HP. - BCB
Maybe someone has used them in 223's or 22-250's and knows, but I don't know how much velocity they will hold up to. But, they are definitely a different bullet than the 45 grain WW white box HP. - BCB
steve garrett
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if you look at ballistics you will find the 45 grn bullet is not the best for coyotes, it may be alright at ranges less than 200 yards but thats max on coyotes. it just runs out of steam too fast especially that 45 grain WW pill. to me the 50grn bullet is the best fit for the 223
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if you look at ballistics you will find the 45 grn bullet is not the best for coyotes, it may be alright at ranges less than 200 yards but thats max on coyotes. it just runs out of steam too fast especially that 45 grain WW pill. to me the 50grn bullet is the best fit for the 223
Indeed, and as a matter of fact I shoot 50 grain V-maxes in my .223. Like you state though, the 45 grainer will perform well at calling ranges.
if you look at ballistics you will find the 45 grn bullet is not the best for coyotes, it may be alright at ranges less than 200 yards but thats max on coyotes. it just runs out of steam too fast especially that 45 grain WW pill. to me the 50grn bullet is the best fit for the 223
Indeed, and as a matter of fact I shoot 50 grain V-maxes in my .223. Like you state though, the 45 grainer will perform well at calling ranges.
Here is the bullet that their website lists. Although it does look different in hand. I have used this round in my .22-250 the last couple of years for chucks and it is pretty good. But I did shoot a red fox at 276 yards with it, hit him a little high in the shoulder and the bullet blew up. The fox was still alive by the time I made the walk up to him. So I was not impressed with that result and wouldn't use it on coyotes. Also BC of this bullet as listed on Winchester site is not very good.
http://www.winchester.com/products/catal...FJlbWluZ3Rvbg==
http://www.winchester.com/products/catal...FJlbWluZ3Rvbg==
It is interesting how opinions on the Whitebox on coyotes vary from amoung the best of hide bullets to the worst. Some are using .223's and some 22/250s, some shoot 20 pound coyotes and some shoot 40s. Light hair and heavy northern pelts plus different barrel twists change things again.If you hit a coyote around the edges with anything it will cut a big hole, and if you gut shoot one wth anything it will probably pop.
Abouthe only things that you can get people to agree on is that they are a great rodent bullet, they are cheap and that nobody has been able to get the bullets. The bulk packed 46ers are not the same. I have heard that they are of Israeli manufacture, but whether that is true or not I don't know. It would explain why they cannot be found though.
Abouthe only things that you can get people to agree on is that they are a great rodent bullet, they are cheap and that nobody has been able to get the bullets. The bulk packed 46ers are not the same. I have heard that they are of Israeli manufacture, but whether that is true or not I don't know. It would explain why they cannot be found though.
This bullet is their own but not available. They are not looking for someone to reload them and say something happened to their rifle trying to blame the ammo company. In my experience, have not see good accuracy much pass 150 yards. AT 100 they seem to shoot well but when you get farther out they start loosing it. Also in AR's have seen the bullets get pushed back in the case pretty easy which can lead to blowing up your rifle. Have seen this a few times on a fail to feed. I would much prefer a 52gr HP to handload.
Ditto to SteveM. I tried them in my Ruger .22-250. Had great accuracy at 100 yards and did kill some coyotes with them. Pretty messy though. I have switched because the round for me was not good past 125 yards. At 200 yards I would have danced if I could get 5 or 6 inch groups. I switched to factory Hornady 50 gr. moly V-max fodder and was back to tight groups. The latter ammo is in my opinion a better killing round and MUCH more fur friendly.
i use the winchester white box ammo in my 22-250 when i don't have any nosler ballistic tips loaded. have no trouble hitting 500ml water bottles at 200 yards while lying prone. and its not just me. my buddies have no trouble doing the same using my rifle and the winchester white box ammo. haven't seen how it performs on coyotes, but the accuracy is sure there. guess i got lucky my rifle likes this load, probably the cheapest 22-250 factory ammo you can buy.
sorry i don't know who makes the bullet, but if i could find them i'd buy them to reload for sure.
travis
sorry i don't know who makes the bullet, but if i could find them i'd buy them to reload for sure.
travis
stiff neck
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There was a magazine article on the 223 45gr WWB ammo a while back, I think a few years ago. I've seen it posted on a shooting forum somewhere. I saved it, but then lost the link when my computer crashed.
In summary, it said that the bullet used is Winchester's own creation but it is not available except in the WWB pack. There was supposedly a lot of research put into the design, which is why it is so accurate. The bullet is constructed with a large cavity inside which helps it blow up. It's typically a great bang for your buck, of course not all barrels like it. Mine doesn't. But lots of folks have good luck with it.
In summary, it said that the bullet used is Winchester's own creation but it is not available except in the WWB pack. There was supposedly a lot of research put into the design, which is why it is so accurate. The bullet is constructed with a large cavity inside which helps it blow up. It's typically a great bang for your buck, of course not all barrels like it. Mine doesn't. But lots of folks have good luck with it.