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Ackman, I guess I am nuts about twice the load time. You load them once or do whatever to form the brass then you reload as a AI that seems like you load them twice. So that is typically stated as twice the loading time. Basically its not worth aruging over how good they are or arent, or what it takes to make one. Its kind of like which brand of gun is better, or which truck is better Ford or Chevy. And yea your right it takes 4gr at the most to make the new load but when you load severel hundreds or thousands of loads that 4gr adds up fairly fast. It really dosent matter if its 1gr or 10gr, I simply stated it takes more powder and it does.