What kind of powder does Black Hills use in.........

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gracie2fish

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their 60gr Vmax 223 load. I have a AR that loves it and the only shop that carries it around me is out. I would like to load some for myself but not sure about the powder or primer. Any ideas?
 
Actually It seems like I read somewhere it was H335 but I may be mistaken.
I was mistaken it was Cooper that uses H335 for their accuracy testing load.
I have read that Black Hills uses Ramshot powders but that maybe just internet gossip.
You could pull a bullet and look to see if it looks like TAC or XTerminator? Of course just because it looks like it does not necessarily mean it is but it would give you an idea and you could work up a load from the info you garnered. You may find a load that works better while working up your own version.
 
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Another option is to chrono the speed, then find a powder that will push that bullet to that speed, while filling the case to 90-100% capacity. A little research in your loading manual should get you close to your goals.
 
Originally Posted By: gracie2fishtheir 60gr Vmax 223 load. I have a AR that loves it and the only shop that carries it around me is out. I would like to load some for myself but not sure about the powder or primer. Any ideas?

Large ammunition producers by bulk powder (by the ton, not by the can). Don't waste your time searching for it. The ammunition companies don't use "secret mixes", but they do use bulk powders that do not have a calibrated burning speed.

Even though it is similar to what you get in the local store, it does not have a calibrated burning speed, so each load (in tons) has to be tested and the loading machines adjusted.

One of the companies makes a terrific pistol powder sold in 50 pound containers - they will not even admit to you that they make it, unless you have a class 06 FFL on file with them.

So don't waste your time looking for what they use. You could spend a year looking and if you did find out, it would have a number or name that you never heard of, it would not be in your loading manual, and you would have to buy it by the truck load... and you can't buy it unless you "are in the game".

Go read a loading manual and pick a powder that suits what you need and enjoy.


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Thanks for the replies. My 223 bolt gun loves h335 so I guess that would be a start since I have a pound on hand. This is for an AR and I tried 53gr/55gr but it liked the 60gr the best. Has anyone tried the cfe223? I'll check the manual and see what they say.
 
Originally Posted By: gracie2fishThanks for the replies. My 223 bolt gun loves h335 so I guess that would be a start since I have a pound on hand. This is for an AR and I tried 53gr/55gr but it liked the 60gr the best. Has anyone tried the cfe223? I'll check the manual and see what they say.

Go to the top of this thread and use "Search" to find the threads for CFE223.

There was enthusiasm at first, but now, most are not impressed with it.


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The last time I talked to Black Hills they told me they buy 20 tons at a time and that their powder was a "special blend" and nothing you could buy in a store. Even if it was available, they would NEVER tell you what they load.

I did this to prove a point to a friend(had BH on speaker). I already knew what they were gonna say........
 
I heard it was tac so I bought a 1 pound can and worked up some 223 loads in 55Vmaxes. I got OK results but better with Benchmark. I know Catshooter is right on about us reloaders not getting what the big boys use. So grap a pound of Tac and Benchmark and I bet you find something that will work. Rick
 
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