Originally Posted By: skb2706There is no magic in "rod guides". I've made a half dozen of them. Unless the guides actually held the rod the entire length of the bore it's more of a feel good thing. They don't do that regardless of who makes them the rod still will touch the bore
Lucas and Jones guides support the rod to the chamber. That's not magic, it's design. And a properly sized jag and patch ensure the rod does not contact the bore. Done right, only the patch or brush should ever contact the bore.