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After 7 pages of reading, heres what I gathered. For those who think a bore guide is not necessary, fine don't use one. All my rifles have guides and I will continue to use them. It takes no longer to get the proper guide out and instal than it does to get a bottle of solvent out to clean with. Cheap or expensive, makes no difference, as long as I have one to use. I have cleaned without one but wasn't pleased in doing so. JMO