I had one of the Hoppe's Bore lights that had the 90 deg bend in the glass tube. It stopped working for some reason. So I went out and bought a new bore light. This one is made out of aluminum metal and it's very Bright. It's so bright that I really can't see the lands and groves with the light stuck right into the end of the barrel and looking though the chamber. Maybe I can put some wax paper over the bulb so that the light is not so intense. But all I can see is a bright light and glare off the inside of the barrel when I try to use the light to inspect the inside of the barrel.
I finally got my new Dewey 32" long coated rod and the 30" long Dewey coated rod that came with the Dewey AR15 Kit. The 32" long rod has a female threaded end while the 30" rod has a male threaded end on the rod. Why do they do this? Why can't they all be the same? Grrrrr.
Now I need adaptors to make my brushes and jags work.
Dewey claims that the the female threaded end on the rod makes the coating 5 to 9 time thicker and that's suppose to be good. Then they say that the may threaded ends makes for a stronger connection. Yet they turn around and make you use a SMBA adaptor so that you can screw on a male threaded bronze brush. Would that not make the connection to the brush WEAKER?
Then there are so many different thread sizes to contend with. 5/40, 8/32 and another 6/32 or something similar.
My big complaint is that they don't tell you precicely what the end of the rods are going to be. are they male or female thread and what's the thread count and diameter of the threads? I had a terrible head ace yesterday going though my order and trying to figure out if I got everything that I ordered.
I did like the Rod Guide that came with the AR15 Cleaning Kit. There was another Kit within this Kit. The chamber cleaning kit for the AR15. I think that they failed to send me one of the clear plastic tubes that I wanted. I'll have to call them or email them and figure that one out.
But I did like the way the chamber bore guide worked in the AR15. It's a nice solid connection. I also got some of the Professional type Parker Hale Jags in 22 cal with 8/32 male threads. They make a lot more contact with the inside of the barrel than the loop type jogs or the pointed type jags. So far they work pretty good.
I have a Hoppe's Universal Bore Guide that I used on my Rem Model 660 222 cal. I use a 32" long Dewey Coated rod in .20 cal to clean the barrel on the Rem. The rod is long enough for the rifle type brush to exit the barrel fully so that I can pull the brush back though the rifle again and again. I did go ahead and order a copper eliminator 36" long rod which should be here next week. The 32" long rod is long enough to clear the end of the barrel but I'm hitting my knuckles on the wooden stock before the rod handle bottoms out into the bore guide. A little bit longer rod may solve the problem
Dewey needs to work on their catalog and make things easier to comprehend. Some places they tell you if the threads are male or female but then don't tell you the thread size or count. They have two paper catalogs that they sent me with my package. One was dated Jan 2014. But I went to their web site last night and found a PDF catalog that I printed out on my home printer. That catalog was dated Jan 2012? [beeep]? I would think that they would be the same or at lease for the same year. SMH!
I just wish I had gone to Brownell instead. I found where they have some 22 cal brushes in Std. thread size that are female threaded and will fit directly onto the Dewey male threaded cleaning rods. BTW what is Std thread size? I thought I figured it out. I figure it's 8/32 as that was the most common THD on their products. I guess it depends on type of rod you get and the caliber that you want to clean. But for the AR15 223 cal or 22 cal I thought it was 8/32. But then there are some that are 5/40 threaded.
Their .22 cal copper eliminator rod 36' long says it .22 cal on one spot and then on another spot it says it's .22 - .26 cal.
What I wish that they would do is to always give the following information for each brush, jag, rod etc.
Cal, thread size, material type, length and if it's a male thread or female thread. And always give this information in the same order on each description of the item in the catalog. And then make the paper catalog and the web site match each other. That would sure make ordering from them easier. They also don't have a toll free number to call. That's a big negative. I have to pay for the call to try to talk to someone to figure out what they are trying to sell me. That really is not good IMHO.
Brownell on the other hand constantly has a pop up message wanting you to do a text chat with their sales representative. But when I try to do that their server times out more often than not and it doesn't work. If I click on the close button to close the chat dialog box it reappears every few minutes and pop up right on top of the web site that I'm trying to study! Grrr. I might seem a little irritated and I am. And it's not due to too much caffeine as I stopped drinking caffeinated coffee 5 years ago. I get frustrated when things are not in good order.
I visited the Dewey web site at least five or six times before I just finally decided to buy some stuff and if it didn't work or fit I'd just return it. I don't pay AT&T for long distance service and instead us a disposable cell phone with a pre paid account. I use the cell phone for emergencies. Well, that's what I bought it for. But I also use it from time to time to call long distance. But I don't want to have a long telephone conversation on my dime with a company's sale rep.
Is Dewey so small of a company that they can't afford to have a toll free line for sales inquiries? That's like my bait company that sells me my minnows for fishing that does not take VISA. They operate on a cash only basis. I'd don't go there very much since I like to use VISA vs cash or check.
And another thing. I found some AR15 parts on the Dewey web site but could not find them on the paper catalog that they sent to me in the mail or on the paper catalog that I found on their web site and printed off as a PDF file. I ordered a cam pin, take down pin and a pivot pin for my AR15. They sell them for $5 each.
I went to a local gun store to buy some spare parts for the AR15. Things like the extractor and it's spring and "O" ring along with the fire pin retaining pin and the cam pin were included in a little plastic sack and they wanted about $50 for the kit. I said I'll pass on that price. So I'm going to be doing some research to find a place that will sell those parts to me cheaper than that.
Bore Guides are a good thing IMHO. I didn't know about them until recently. I've cleaned my Ruger 10/22, my Remington Model 870 12 gage, and my AR15 without a bore guide and wasn't aware that I could damage the throat, chamber, bore or crown of the rifle by not using a good bore guide. Now I even have a bore guide to put on the end of my Ruger 10/22 barrel. I got that bore guide from Brownells along with a barrel vice and a Parker Hale type Brass Jag in .22 cal with 8/32" male threads. But it will not fit onto my Dewey 30" long coated rod with the male threads on the end of the rod unless I use the SBMA thing. SBMA basically has female threads on both ends of a short brass tube that's female threaded on both ends. I think it's 8/32 thread on both female threads but I'm not sure right now. It could be 5/40 on one end and 8/32 on the other. They should scribe the thread size and diameter on each end of these adaptors and also on the rods and other jags and brushes. Some of my jags actually do have the size inscribed on the brass base of the brush or jag. Well maybe it's just the caliber numbers like 22 cal or 17 cal.
I've got several .17 cal pellet guns and pistols. These I clean without a bore guide and use two different cleaning kits. One is a Hoppe's .17 cal kit and the other is a Gamo Cleaning Kit. Of course one would use a male threaded rod while the other one has a female threaded rod end. Grrrrrr.
I have brushes that won't fit onto any of my cleaning rods. I have no clue what size they are or their thread counts. I just stuck them inside a plastic zip loc bag and labeled them Misc.
Now let's talk about coated rods vs plain stainless steel, aluminum or brass rods. Dewey claims that their coated rods won't pick up debris in the coating and do damage to the inside of the barrel. Some guys claim that the coated rods will have fine particles of metal embed into the coating and then that will act as an abrasive on the surface of the coated rod and do damage to the inside of your gun's barrel. Now that's quite possible.
I'm not sure what the Dewey Copper Eliminator Rods are made from. But I'll find out in a few more days when I get one and take a look at it. I do think that I'll like the longer 36" length when I use it on my Remington Model 660 222 cal as it will help save my knuckles from hitting the stock.
Originally Posted By: ackleymanThe term "bore guide" is perhaps too ambiguous. The term "Rod Guide" is closer to a correct item description.
Keep the rod centered in the bore or pay the price. The rod flexes, so don't power drive the rod through the bore.
I have wore the lands from 5-8 o'clock slick from the wear of a coated rod and polished steel rod.
Ignorance is bliss....
