Winchester Model 70

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I have a model 70 with a real light trigger pull. My question is when I drop test it with the saftey off it fires. When the saftey is on and I drop test, it dosent fire. Is this ok?
 
Originally Posted By: 2muchgunThat is what the safety is for. Off = fires. On = no dice.........

I'd modify that just a touch. Like: Safety Off = fires, but NOT not on drop test.
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Should NOT fire on safe or without the safety on when dropped on the floor - something's unsafe on that trigger set-up!
 
Trigger is too light. If it was ONLY EVER going to be fired from a bench and NEVER EVER carried or hunted with I MIGHT CONSIDER leaving it like that. In reality I believe the trigger is too light and think it should be adjusted heavier or replaced completely.

I think 2 pounds to 2 1/4 pounds is light. I believe 2 ounces is too light and unsafe. I am sure some will disagree but I do not like super, super light triggers.
 
Originally Posted By: doggin coyotesOriginally Posted By: 2muchgunThat is what the safety is for. Off = fires. On = no dice.........

I'd modify that just a touch. Like: Safety Off = fires, but NOT not on drop test.
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Exactly... shouldn't fire on a drop test regardless of safety position. I wouldn't trust it as is.
 
If it fires on drop test it is unsafe. Definately should not fire on drop test reagardless of safety position.

Regards,
hm
 
I'd check out web instructions on Model 70 trigger adjustment, or take it in to a qualified smith. It sounds to light & not a safe as it should be, for hunting.
 
GC and Doggin', I was gonna edit my post, but left it "as is" for a reason. Was interested in seeing the replies it would stir up. Wish it had stirred up more. Hate it when guys who actually have a clue rain on my parade.Every once in a while I am guilty of "going fishing". But not too often anymore. At least not as much in the past.

To answer the original posters question, no it should not fire on a M70. The model 70 trigger, the original model 70 trigger, is one of the best hunting triggers ever designed, IMO. Very easy to adjust, very hard to gum up. It will work in conditions that other "more complicated" triggers will not. If it does not cock upon cycling the bolt fast and hard, it is misproperly adjusted. So is any other trigger that exhibits such characteristics.

A lot of press bad has been given to the Rem 700 trigger. When properly adjusted, no matter how low you are able to get it, it will pass a bounce test with the safety off. If it does not, it is misproperly adjusted. Period. When you hear people say they disengaged the safety and the gun went off, the trigger was misproperly adjudted. Period. This is why remington started putting the glue on their triggers. Proof that the trigger was "tampered" with. How many Rem 700s have "fired inadvertently" that retain the glue on the trigger? NONE that I have ever heard of. Anyway.....

Now here is where it gets interesting.

I have owned a number of single set triggers. Kepplingers, Canjar, factory Czs, and more.

I can set a Kepplinger down to mere ounces of trigger pull, and beat the crap out of it, and it will not go off in set mode. No matter what. They won't even "bounce back" into standard mode.

I have seen Canjars that would go off after a pretty good beating, but NOTHING I would consider worrying about. Mostly, they will just "bounce back" into standard mode.

Now, we get to CZ. I have a 527 Kevlar and love it. I reworked the trigger myself. In standard mode, it is okay at best. In set mode, it is extremely light. Extremely light. While in standard mode, you could crack the stock or a floor board before you could get the trigger to fire in a bounce test. However, in set mode, the firing pin will readily engage in a bounce test. In other words, it won't just bounce back to standard mode, it will go off. I would be interested in hearing from other CZ owners.

Now, the question is: Do you consider this a danger? If so, why? If not, why not?

Another question is, do you consider a M70 that will fire when bounce tested a danger when it is perfectly safe when "on safe". Assuming a properly adjusted trigger that which does not engage when the safety is switched off.

Which other brands of triggers are dangerous? Which aren't? Why?

I'm wondering how many here have actually "done the work" and can shed some insight for myself and others on this topic.

My intention was not to hijack the OP thread, it just stimulated some thought. Sorry if I did so. I can start another thread if you wish........



 
I dang sure am not any kind of trigger whiz. I do like to think I possess a little common sense as it relates to them though.

I've never owned or shot a CZ, but I have used and am familiar with set triggers in other firearms. I know what my answer would be to your first question.

I know what my answer would be to your M70 trigger question.

I'm not versed enough on the various triggers in all the firearms to even attempt an answer to your third question. (I could blow some smoke at ya though
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I agree 100% with what you said about the tampered with M700 triggers and why they go bang when they aren't supposed to.

Now I'm curious to see if you get some replies to your questions.
 
I have a M70 Coyote in 22-250 That I purchased about 9 years ago. It was my first Winchester bolt action, so naturally I took it home and had it in pieces immediately. (like you guys don't do the same thing!) The barrel needed a good cleaning, the bolt needed lube, the stock needed a bedding job, etc... but the trigger looked like it was very adjustable and user friendly! I found that I could adjust it down to a very light pull, however it would not pass the drop test. After a few rounds of adjusting and testing, the pull was still light enough and the bolt remained cocked after testing. I checked the safety for function and called it good.
Fast forward a few weeks.... I had been to the range several times with the gun to develop some loads. The time had come to go out and do some varminting. At the range, I load the rounds one at a time, and unless I am preparing to squeeze off a round the bolt is open- never utilizing the safety. In the field I load the magazine box full of handloads, put one in the chamber and close the bolt, then place the safety on. After a little walking and glassing I drew a bead on a fat groundhog. Bipods deployed, laying prone, scope on that whistlepig's head, safety off, BOOM!!!!
The only thing that was missing was a trigger squeeze. You can imagine my surprise when I figured out that placing the safety to off caused the gun to discharge! I tried cycling another round (hard) with the gun pointed in a safe direction and nothing happened. I placed the safety on, and then off-BOOM!
I immediately left for the range, (swinging by the house for tools) and added another item to my drop test "checklist". Had this not been a 3 position safety, I would not have been able to cycle the bolt while on safe, and would have figured this out sooner.

Hope this can be of some help to someone!

-BANDIT
 
Originally Posted By: JJFBANDITI have a M70 Coyote in 22-250 That I purchased about 9 years ago. It was my first Winchester bolt action, so naturally I took it home and had it in pieces immediately. (like you guys don't do the same thing!) The barrel needed a good cleaning, the bolt needed lube, the stock needed a bedding job, etc... but the trigger looked like it was very adjustable and user friendly! I found that I could adjust it down to a very light pull, however it would not pass the drop test. After a few rounds of adjusting and testing, the pull was still light enough and the bolt remained cocked after testing. I checked the safety for function and called it good.
Fast forward a few weeks.... I had been to the range several times with the gun to develop some loads. The time had come to go out and do some varminting. At the range, I load the rounds one at a time, and unless I am preparing to squeeze off a round the bolt is open- never utilizing the safety. In the field I load the magazine box full of handloads, put one in the chamber and close the bolt, then place the safety on. After a little walking and glassing I drew a bead on a fat groundhog. Bipods deployed, laying prone, scope on that whistlepig's head, safety off, BOOM!!!!
The only thing that was missing was a trigger squeeze. You can imagine my surprise when I figured out that placing the safety to off caused the gun to discharge! I tried cycling another round (hard) with the gun pointed in a safe direction and nothing happened. I placed the safety on, and then off-BOOM!
I immediately left for the range, (swinging by the house for tools) and added another item to my drop test "checklist". Had this not been a 3 position safety, I would not have been able to cycle the bolt while on safe, and would have figured this out sooner.

Hope this can be of some help to someone!

-BANDIT

Good point BANDIT. I always confirm the safety function both in place and "going hot". I've seen various rifles that would drop the sear going into the fire position. Hey,love your sig line too. You know what they say about great minds.
 
My cz 527 will shoot in the drop test if the trigger is left in set mode, this doesn't bother me because I only "set" it right before a shot. I did purchase a m70 in 243 a bit more than a year ago that the safety was really hard to engage and when I had it at the range it did slam fire when I closed the bolt, I put a timney in and had to modify it quite a bit to fit right as the m70 is a classic compact and the smaller size was creating the problem...well now it is one of my favorite bolt actions and passes the bounce test with ease.
 
Originally Posted By: bushyMy cz 527 will shoot in the drop test if the trigger is left in set mode, this doesn't bother me because I only "set" it right before a shot.

This is the exact kind of comment I was looking for, and what makes this topic so potentially controversial.

Some will argue that they only take their safeties off before a shot, so as long as the gun does not fire when the safety is engaged, or upon disengaging it, it does not matter if it passes a bounce test or not.........
 
well, I've been known to use my rifle as a hiking stick, lever, canoe paddle etc. I do use my safety, but there is something about a gun that "might" fire that bothers me. The cz to me is a none issue because I have to physically set the trigger, this coupled with the safty makes it twice as safe in my opinion, but I have the knowledge enough not to hump it around the desert in set mode. If I knew that there was someone hunting with me and they were using a rifle that couldn't pass the drop test, then I will not be going into the field with them...have been shot twice by a shotgun, niether time was fun or intentional...but they don't hunt with me anymore.
 
To me, if the rifle will not pass the bounce test for safety, it has the trigger set far too light for safety at all times and under all conditions.

When you are hunting, being safe at all times is more important than a sniper style hair trigger. With anything less you are flirting with disaster with your eyes closed and your ears covered.
 
Is there a preferred method of drop checking your rifle? I've always done this by bouncing the recoil pad against the ground while holding the gun in a vertical position.
 
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Ok so from what I am reading I need to adjust the trigger. I looked at the trigger and it has a 2 nut adjustment. Is this a easy trigger to adjust? Can somebody tell me how to adjust it. Were I live there is only one gunsmith and hes about 2 months booked up.
 
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