Wolf Attack on Dogs (Pics not Suitable for Some)

sierrabravo45

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Pics did come through but here is the link

http://www.idahopress.com/art/photos/wolfattack.jpg

Here is the link to the story:

http://www.idahopress.com/articles/2006/06/08/news/news3.txt


This DID NOT happen to me, it happened to a friend of a friend. My buddy lives in Grangeville, ID and e-mailed me a copy of it before it hit the papers, I just had time to post it today.


GRANGEVILLE Hello. My name is Scott Richards. I have lived in Grangeville for the last 17 years. I have enjoyed training my hunting dogs for the past 34 years.

To do this it takes a great deal of love for your dogs and for the great outdoors. I have always prided myself in the manner of which I train my dogs and take care of them. When I choose a new pup, he or she spends the first 6 months in my house. He or she is loved and a bond is there forever.

I do not believe there are bad dogs, just inexperienced owners. I have spent the last four years trying to introduce this sport to as many young people as I can. My photo albums are full of pictures with children sitting under a tree with the dogs, telling them they did a good job.

That has all changed now.

The reason I am writing this story is not to debate whether the Canadian gray wolf should be or should not be here. I am not going to debate anyone about how many wolves are really in the state of Idaho. I will say our elk, moose and deer populations are in serious trouble now.

The real reason I am telling this story is that I have a conscience, and what happened to my dogs and me Wednesday, May 24, at 9:45 a.m. might open a few eyes.

Its been a few days now, and the shock has turned from fear to disbelief to anger, and now the major concern for the safety of anyone who lives in or visits our state. My life that I have loved raising and training these special working dogs is now over.

Crying wolf

This Wednesday morning started like most days when I train dogs. I was a few miles from my house and turned up the hill on the Service Flats Road. I let my dogs out of the box, jumped into my truck and followed them up the road for a mile, letting them clean out. I had eight dogs with me, and seven of them were very experienced 2, 3 and 4-year-olds. I had one five-month-old pup.

I loaded four dogs on top of the box and four inside the box. I did not have to drive far, and the dogs sounded off, letting me know a bear had crossed the road.

My friend, Bryon, had driven up from Lewiston to train some of his young dogs.

I turned out a 4-year-old named Jasper. He left the road and let me know the track was fresh. I told Bryon to turn his dogs loose as did I. They quickly dropped into a canyon, where bears hang in the brushy bottoms in daylight hours.

When all the dogs reached the bottom, five went up the other side of the canyon headed toward Fish Creek campground. The other group of dogs came right back up the hill to us. They put the bears in a tree 20 minutes later.

The other group of dogs treed about the same time about 1 1/2 miles away. Bryon and I went to the nearest dogs first. When we were under the tree, we found they had a mature sow and a 2-year-old cub. We took a few pictures and were back in the trucks ready to go to the other dogs.

We drove back up to where we heard the group of five dogs top over and shortly thereafter tree the bear. We checked where the dogs still had the bear treed. We drove as close as we could and stopped and listened.

They were about 400 yards away, treeing solid. I made the decision to move the truck 200 yards to the low side of the saddle; this would be an easy way back with the dogs. When Bryon and I crested the hill, instead of hearing a roar of barking dogs treeing, we heard nothing. We were looking at each other like, Where did they go? We just heard them there five minutes ago.

One dog barked, and another barked just 50 yards away. I said to Bryon that neither of the dogs we heard sounded like any of our dogs. He agreed. Then I heard a dog bark that I knew was mine, but at the end of his bark there was a sharp yelp. Bryon and I headed down the hill in a hurry about 75 yards apart.

About 300 yards down the hill I was stopped dead in my tracks by a big dark-colored wolf. Blackey, my dog, was getting attacked; I was 20 yards away now and closing fast, screaming and yelling as I ran. I stopped at about 12 feet from the wolf, and even though I was screaming and waving my arms, the wolf did not break from the attack. Every time Blackey tried to run, the wolf would sink his teeth into Blackeys hindquarters.

All the while I was screaming louder than I ever screamed in my life. Without any thought I picked up a 4-foot stick, stepped toward the wolf, swung and hit a tree. When the branch went crack and the tree went thud, the wolf instantly lunged at me.

I remember thinking I was going to die.

I ran from tree to tree straight up hill toward my truck. When that wolf lunged at me, I believed I would have been seriously hurt or dead if not for Blackey. I did not see what took place, but what I heard was my dog giving his life to save me.

As I reached the truck, Bryon was digging around in his truck for a gun. As I ran up he started yelling, We got wolves. I was trying to listen to him as I was searching for a gun as I took my pistol in my hand and turned toward Bryon.

When I looked into his eyes I realized I was not the only one threatened by wolves. We headed back down to see if we could save Blackey, Lady or Halley, but there was no sound. I wanted to hear a bell dingle or a bark, but nothing. As Bryon and I hurried back to the truck to get my tracking box, I finally understood that Bryon was able to fight off three wolves and save two dogs. Snyper and Bullet were safe in the dog box with no life-threatening injuries.

With the tracking box in hand, I tuned in on Ladys tracking collar and said to Bryon, Not Lady, not Lady, but I knew she was dead. Then I tuned to Blackey and told Bryon that Blackey was dead, and then I tuned in Halleys collar. One beep every four seconds that means all three dogs had not moved for at least five minutes. All dead.

I was just standing there in shock.

We decided to look for Halley first. We were getting real close; the receiver was pegging the needle. I knew that with a few more steps I would be looking at one of my babies.

My heart skipped a beat when Halleys tree switch went off. I didnt know if she was alive or if a wolf was dragging her off. We ran the direction the needle was pointing, and in a few yards there she was.

She was trying to get up; her stomach was ripped open and her guts were hanging out a foot. She had more than 60 bite marks and deep gashes all over her body. Her stomach was torn in multiple spots.

Bryon went into action. Of came his shirt, and we wrapped it tightly around her stomach. I carried her back to Bryons truck and put her in the front seat; Brian headed for the vets. I remember thinking I wouldnt see Halley alive again.

I started tracking Blackey next; it did not take long to find him. He wasnt far from where the wolf came after me. He was dead and lying in a pool of his own blood. He was bit and torn so full of holes that I just fell to the ground bawling and crying. I could not quit thinking, He gave his life to save me.

I was sitting there when it hit me: Lady! Id better get to Lady. When I tuned her in, I knew she was within a 100 yards. I lined up with her collar, and the next thing I knew there she was in a heap, her eyes wide open, looking straight into my eyes. For one second I thought she might be alive. When I knelt down beside her, I knew she was dead.

Its very difficult to describe the type of death these dogs were handed. It was easy to see that the wolves want to cripple their prey, torture it and then kill it. I have never seen a worse way for any animal or person to die.

I made it back to town and took care of my dogs who made it through this nightmare that happened in the light of day. Then I headed to see if Halley needed to be buried.

When I walked into the veterinarians office, I was greeted with, Did you find the rest of your dogs? I tried to say they were all dead, but I could not get the words out; all I could do was cry.

After a few minutes standing alone, I heard a voice behind me say, Halley is still alive; do you want to see her? I instantly headed for the back room, and when I turned the corner I saw this little black ball covered in stitches swollen twice her normal size.

I stopped and said out loud, Oh my God, Halley, what have they done to you? When she heard me say her name, she lifted her head, whined and waged her tail. I kneeled down, held her and comforted her the whole time wondering if she was the lucky one, or were Blackey and Lady the lucky ones? When I looked into her eyes it was easy to see the only reason she was still alive: the wolf had choked her out.

Her eyes were full of blood; they had left her for dead. The doctor said it was a miracle she was alive at all. Her lungs were badly damaged, but what most concerned us all was infection from all the tears and bites.

I knew this little dog had more heart and desire than a 1,200-pound grizzly bear, and yet was as gentle with my granddaughters as my chocolate lab. If it were just a fight with infection, she would win.

On the way home I called the Idaho Fish and Game to report what had happened. They were very understanding, and I could tell they were sincere when they said they were sorry for my loss. They also made it clear there was nothing they could do for me and that their hands were tied. They said they would write the report and call a federal agent.

Justin, the government trapper, contacted me by phone and arranged to meet me at first light. We were at the site of the attack early the next morning. We went to the site where I had laid Lady in the shade.

She was gone without a trace.

I took Justin to where Blackey was laying, and he had also disappeared. We searched around and found nothing. About that time a crow down below me called three times, so we walked toward the sound.

It did not take long before we were standing over the remains of the dog that saved me from harm. All that was left of him was his head and backbone. Had we been an hour later, there would have been nothing left of him.

We had spooked the wolves off while they were finishing their prey. In five hours all we found of Lady was a pile of fresh wolf scat full of white, brown and black dog hair. Lady was a tri-colored walker that color.

Justin and I buried what was left of Blackey. We piled heavy stones on his grave, and I walked away thinking that it could have been me. I could have been just a pile of wolf scat lying on the ground and leaving people to wonder where I had disappeared to.

I couldnt help but think of the 22-year-old man who was killed and eaten by wolves in Canada this winter. Theres been a slaughter on hound dogs and pets in Idaho, and it is getting worse daily. I have been assured that if these wolves kill any cows, sheep, goats, pigs or horses, they will become a problem and will be dealt with, and the owners will be compensated.

Thats a relief.

Dogs have no value to anyone in the government, it seems.

So what I love to do is over; I will not send another dog to slaughter or feed another starving wolf pack. My concerns now are that the wolves are running out of easy prey and are now eating dogs.

In wet, muddy areas where elk and moose have always been plentiful, I no longer can find even a track.

Perhaps aliens took them off to a safer planet. I hope you did not find that funny.

This is the first documented case in Idaho where wolves have eaten a dog after killing it. The real reason I had to write this story is public safety.

The general public is unaware of the danger that awaits them. Since I retired, I have spent no less than four days a week in the mountains. What has amazed me are how many of these wolves are right around peoples homes. When they are out of easy prey, be ready.

For as long as I can remember, when you were in the mountains for any reason, a dog by your side was a great defense to warn you of predators. I used to believe in this. But now a dog is nothing more than bait to lure wolves.

Recently, while cougar hunting, an associate of mine, who is a licensed guide like myself, had a wolf encounter. He was cougar hunting with a dog on a leash when three wolves charged up on him. With waving arms and a screaming voice, he was able to persuade them to leave, but what if they had been a little hungrier? Your natural instinct will be to defend your companion. I am not saying you should leave your friend at home, but be prepared.

Put a bell or a beeper on him or her so you know where they are at all times.

The most important thing, in my opinion, is to pack a firearm. I personally believe pepper spray will not work in a pack attack. Keep your dogs quiet when you are walking no barking. If they are tied up in camp, no barking. And dont let your children play with your pets and have them barking while theyre playing.

My personal belief is that the war has been lost. Its too late to save our big-game herds in my lifetime.

What I have loved to do for most of my life is over, so enjoy it while you still can. Be prepared. I pray you never encounter a pack of Canadian gray wolves.

What do you think?

Whats your reactions to the reintroduction efforts of wolves into Idaho and the western states?

Send your letters to:

Idaho Press-Tribune

P.O. Box 9399

Nampa, ID 83652
 
sorry to hear of your loss. how close to missula mt.or lolo id. are you? the reason why i ask is my brother ran into two wolves on our bear hunt a couple of years back. both were by themselves. one came in under his tree stand(it was walking with a limp maybe thats why it was solo). the other he saw pulling off the main road heading towards the ranger station. it ran right past his jeep. after your expirence i am glad i did'nt have an encounter when leaving the tree stand at night.
 
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wow...thats a powerful story,really makes a person think...i'm sorry for your buddys loss..i think this is probably just the beginning...
 
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Very disturbing. Your story infuriates me, and I can't live much farther away. Unthinkable! Inexcusable! What the he** are the people in charge doing! I know what I would do, but descretion keeps me from typing it. I am so sorry to hear your friend's passions have been taken from him. The Wolves and Griz were eliminated from the majority of the lower 48 because they can't co-habitate with humans. So, lets haul them back in here and try it again! Like I have said in the past,"No point being stupid unless your going to show it". I'm sorry he had to go through that, take care R.J.
 
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Sorry for your friend's loss, it could've been much worse.
Does Idaho permit carrying a firearm while training hounds outside of regular hunting season?
F1
 
I feel for the man losing his dogs. Good hunting dogs are hard to come by. But I feel compelled to ask, what if those dogs were killed by a bear or a lion? To me the outcome of this dog fight was little different from the outcome of a hound hunting a coyote, coon, fox, rabbit or any other traditional animal that is considerably smaller than the hound itself, except the wolves got to eat what they killed. The author wrote wonderfully long and almost poetic verse about how horribly the hound suffered, but to me it was no different from the supposidly humane kills hound men would attempt to make us believe a coyote experiences at the teeth of a domestic hound. Or even the same kill the pitbull fighters put their "pets" through in the pit for the fun of watching one dog kill another.

Hound hunting is a thrilling but ultimately or potentially violent sport. Hounds are killed and crippled every day by bigger and badder wild animals like bears, lions, and pigs. Is this so much different?

Yes, I know, we are used to being the biggest and the baddest predator in the woods, well we and our domestic dogs, but times are a changin'. I don't buy the notion that the sport of hound hunting is dead and gone where the wolf reigns supreme. We just might need a different type of dog for the hunt, one that is bigger and smarter and just maybe a little better trained to handle not only a bear or lion, but their cousin the wolf as well. There are domestic breeds of dog that have been handling wolves for hundreds of years. No, the sport of hound hunting will never go away as this guy thinks it will, it will simply need to change a little.

By-the-way, saying on the open internet that the solution to all wolf probelms is to S. (Shoot) S. (Shovel) and S. (Shut up) is just plain foolish and an example of just beggin' for trouble.
 
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I need to take a few minutes to further explain my response above on this thread. Otherwise, I'll be thrown amongst that group of cantankerous posters mentioned on other threads here on PM /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Here are the things that bother me about this post. First, we have our writer (not the poster) stating initially as follows:

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The reason I am writing this story is not to debate whether the Canadian gray wolf should be or should not be here. I am not going to debate anyone about how many wolves are really in the state of Idaho.



Then, in that same paragraph we see:

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I will say our elk, moose and deer populations are in serious trouble now.




Then we have:

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Dogs have no value to anyone in the government, it seems.




As though the welfare of dogs should be the concern of govt at any level.

I also wonder about the intent of this little gem:

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I couldnt help but think of the 22-year-old man who was killed and eaten by wolves in Canada this winter



If indeed some unfortunate person was eaten by a wolf in Canada (and I don't doubt it one bit) it certainly does not speak to the wolf concerns in Idaho or any other state of the US. Canadians and Alsakans have been living with wolves for decades. The killing of a person by a wolf is unfortunate, but the writer of the newspaper article clearly wishes to use that incident to strike fear into the hearts of Idaho residents (voters!).

Followed by this beauty:

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The general public is unaware of the danger that awaits them



The more you read along with our writer, the more clear it becomes that his story has an agenda. At least that's my take on it. For example, the original author's newspaper aticle ends like this:

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My personal belief is that the war has been lost. It’s too late to save our big-game herds in my lifetime.

What I have loved to do for most of my life is over, so enjoy it while you still can. Be prepared. I pray you never encounter a pack of Canadian gray wolves.




But, our PM member does not dileneate the breakoff between the newspaper article and his own post. The actual newspaper article ends with the two paragraphs above, but our poster seamlessley adds the following:

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What do you think?

Whats your reactions to the reintroduction efforts of wolves into Idaho and the western states?

Send your letters to:

Idaho Press-Tribune

P.O. Box 9399

Nampa, ID 83652



Actually, the article does not end the way I state above. There is one additional item left out as follows:

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Copyright 2005 Idaho Press-Tribune. All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.



I guess the concept of copyright is unimportant with such a burning "issue"! The link to the article would have sufficed, but would not have included the above seamless effort to encourage letters to the editor, would it?

So, to quote our PM poster, "what do you think?".

I don't come down on either side of the "wolf debate" that rears it's head so often here on PM, but I for one don't care to have someone attempt to jam their opinion down my throat.

Wonder why an article copyrighted in 2005 has just found it's way here and posted by a PM member with a total of two posts under their belt?
 
Longcruise, you make some good points. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif Something to think about. I feel this author and the poster may have an agenda at work here. After all, if you read it in the "news paper," it must be true???? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Thank You.
-Ron
 
It isn't often that I agree with Michael McCasland on peoples' posts. However, this time, I do agree with him 100%. It would be alright if the author's dogs killed one of the wolves, but since the dogs met their match, well, it is wrong then. Reminds me of some of the people we have here in Oklahoma. 10 dogs vs. a coyote, and if the coyote hurts one of the dogs, then it is shot. (Gang fighting and hunting with dogs seem to be a lot alike to me.)

Suck it up, if you wanna hunt with dogs, or hunt period, bad things happen. Get used to it.

Ohh, by the way, wolves and big game co-existed on this continent for a long time together. I think they can learn again.
 
To make a long story short.
A pack of dogs were beat down by a pack of wolfs!
That is what he said right?
Sorry but stuff happens in the wild, he let himself get out of touch in an area he had his animals lose. I feel he is more at fault than ever in that he was not close enough to protect his animals , had to run back to the truck for gun?
 
I'm pretty suprised at some the responses to this story, which I read a couple of weeks ago in an online news supplier. Bear dogs aren't kill dogs from what I've read but are trained to run and tree the quarry until nimrod catches up and to shoot it off the branch. This man was working and training his dogs assumeably in the off season and, it's just a guess, if he were toten a firearm during the chase it could be construed as actually hunting instead of training. Wildlife officials may frown pretty heavy on that. As for the big game populations being in danger of a major decline due to the wolf I read not so long ago in the NRA American Hunter that Montana has reduced the elk tags in a unit or two adjacent to Yellowstone by a very large percentage for just that reason. The outfitters are feeling the hurt for that. How many of you gentlemen have run, trained and worked hunting dogs of whatever kind? Are they all viscious kill dogs that bite the prey to a horrible death? My beagles of years past usually never saw the rabbit it was running. It was my trigger finger that created the violence in the field that allowed me to slip it into my jacket pocket. The dog's teeth were not the culprit. When a bird dog is properly trained the only thing from a dog's mouth to foul the pheasant or quail is it's slobber. #7 1/2 shot is the tooth and fang that suddenly ended the bird's life. Sure there are kill dogs used in the hunting of certain specicies like coyotes. That may not appeal to everyone, understandably. We would rather shoot them ourselves. How many bear, though, get mauled to death from a pack of hounds?
Did this man have an agenda. I have no doubt. His energy, money, companions and hobby are gone because liberal suburbanites through the federal government forced their will upon the people of the west with their agenda to bring back the wolf and protect it better than a human being. Just like Charles Shumer has an agenda to remove the 2nd ammendment from the constitution. Just like PETA wants to remove hunting, fishing and even the owning of pets from the culture. The first coyote I ever shot at was because it decided to sneak up on my dog to make her breakfast. I guess I would have been much wiser, though, to swap my little beagle for a more appropriate canine, say a St Bernard, now that coyotes had come to stay. Instead I picked up my gun and started hunting them. Isn't that what you are doing? This man doesn't have that choice. I don't blame him for being upset and letting people know about it. United we stand, boys, divided we fall.
 
Once again we are comparing apples to oranges. Bear dogs most certainly are tough dogs that are ready for a fight. If they weren't the bear would get the best of them every time. Bear dogs need a lot of heart to do the job that they do. Lion dogs don't need to possess as much heart, but they will jump in for a cheap bite as often as possible. I've seen plenty of hounds trap a bobcat or fox or coon and kill dog or not they all go in for the fight, it's in their blood. The traditional kill dog used to kill coyotes is only slightly different from any other hound. Naturally I am referring to the big hounds with most of this commentary. They are the ones that are most likely to stand for the fight. Sure some bird dogs are tough and will fight, but most of them will back off and head home long before a fight to the death will start. A beagle is tough and could be taken by the bigger predators, but it's not likely that the beagle will go looking for a fight. We are not talking about bird dogs or rabbit dogs here, we are talking about big country, hard chargin’ bear dogs.

I can see two scenarios that quite possibly happened here. 1) The dogs were barking treed and the wolves took advantage of the situation to sneak up on the hound for a quick meal. 2) The hounds trailed up the wolves. The numbers were on the hounds side so they stayed for a nice fight. Unfortunately the Wolves were not alone and were more than a match for the hounds. With hounds being hounds they did not have the ability to back off until it was much to late.

United we stand, divided we fall. I’ve heard that said about [beeep] fighting and dog fighting in the pit too. Maybe it’s a character flaw in me, but will not back something I don’t believe in no matter how distantly it is related to my chosen sport. It is simple, this guy is using his bad experience to generate unreasonable fear and hatred for the wolf. I’m no wolf fan but I will not follow blindly either.
 
I am surprised to see mention of my little town of Grangeville on this forum. It is a small town of around 2,500 people on the edge of the prairie and at the base of the mountains. I am not necessarily against wolves in general, but I sure hate to see what they are doing to the deer and elk herds around here. Makes me a little more cautious calling up in that canyon. The wolves have flurished and I sure hope they hurry up with some tags for them. As hunters we help to keep a proper balance between the different animals and they have let this one get out of control. They are getting bold and people have seen them from in town. I'll admit that I am selfish and if anything gets to thin the deer and elk herds I want my chance before the wolves get theirs. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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To set the record straight:
Rooster fighting and pitting dogs to fight were not defended in my thread and never will be. They are outlawed for good reason. And I don't care for a coyote being ripped apart by the dogs, either. Micheal, you wrote:

"The author wrote wonderfully long and almost poetic verse about how horribly the hound suffered, but to me it was no different from the supposidly humane kills hound men would attempt to make us believe a coyote experiences at the teeth of a domestic hound. Or even the same kill the pitbull fighters put their "pets" through in the pit for the fun of watching one dog kill another."

in your first post and then in the second post you finished it with:

"United we stand, divided we fall. I’ve heard that said about [beeep] fighting and dog fighting in the pit too. Maybe it’s a character flaw in me, but will not back something I don’t believe in no matter how distantly it is related to my chosen sport. It is simple, this guy is using his bad experience to generate unreasonable fear and hatred for the wolf. I’m no wolf fan but I will not follow blindly either."

No one is asking you to back down from that stance on the illegal fighting of dogs and chickens. Nor from the coyote kill dogs if you want to lump them in that catagory. (well someone might want you to but I'm not)

Correct me if I am wrong here but hounds do not bite a bear to death. They hold the bear, either on the ground or in the tree for the shooter to make the kill. Sure they may get a nip and bite here and there but the bear in a fair chase hunt isn't mauled to death by the pack. Dog Pit fighting and rooster fighting is designed for a fight to the death as well as coyote kill dogs. That is apples to oranges as I see it. Micheal, what are not backing down on? The coyote kill dogs, the pit bull fighters and the fighting male chicken birds? Fine. (And if the above article, or my post for that matter, gives the impression that we're for it I'm at a loss?) But does that also include your stance against hounds running bears, lions and pigs, too? From reading what you are saying it looks to me as if you don't condon the legitimate hunting with hounds.?. Is this your stance?

"Hound hunting is a thrilling but ultimately or potentially violent sport. Hounds are killed and crippled every day by bigger and badder wild animals like bears, lions, and pigs. Is this so much different?" Your qoute from the first post.
Yes, that is true. And this gentleman may not be waxing so elequently if that were the case and he may have just taken his lumps and gone on. But in the actual hunt of said bear, lion or pig he has a chance of putting a round into it before that happened. With the government pup he would be facing a federal judge heretofore. Wolves are here to stay. The urban population of the east coast that do not have to contend with them will guarantee that. Ok, with that fact and the tourism dollars generated by their presence the wholesale slaughter of wolves into extinction by private and government trappers is not a possiblity. But can these animals be managed and controlled outside of all the hysteria the wolf lovers make? And can a man who has spent his life involved in the hunt make a statement from a broken heart, even with an agenda, without his fellow "sportsmen" condeming him for it?
 
From my point of view and the intention of what I wrote you have twisted my words.

My point is (another poster said it as well) hound men seem to believe its okay to have their dogs kill other animals, no I'm not talking about Bears or Mt. Lions. But when the table is turned on the hounds they hate the Wolf for doing exactly the same thing their own dogs are doing. Now it's terrible and vicious because its being done to their own animals. I think hounds generally run through the woods looking somewhat selectively for trouble thinking that they are the baddest thing out there. These are bear dogs and lion dogs out lookin for a fight and they found one. In this case the tables of nature were turned and the hounds got what they were trying to dish out. Mother nature doesn’t play by our rules.

I’m not sure what the value is of bringing in the fact that few if any bears are actually killed by dogs. Bears are much too big and tough for that, but make no mistake, if these dogs could actually kill the bear they would. My whole thesis is, bear dogs are tough, tougher that even Mt. Lion dogs, they aren’t the type of dog to back down from a fight, neither are wolves. The dogs lost the fight.

I don’t blame the guy for writing what he wrote, I don’t blame him for being upset about loosing his dogs. The plane and simple fact of the matter is, he wasn’t the person who brought this into discussion on Predator Masters. sierrabravo45 brought it in to bolster the notion that the Wolf is bad, very bad, we need to be afraid, very afraid. Most of the comments were about how it was presented and manipulated to make the manipulation look like the original author wrote the entire article.
 


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