Wolves Moving in to Utah

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Wolf Caught in Utah
Tuesday, December 3, 2002


BY BRENT ISRAELSEN
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

The shepherd who spotted a Canis lupis in the hills southeast of Logan last summer was not crying wolf.
There are, without a doubt, wolves in those hills.
A coyote trapper on Saturday accidentally caught a live gray wolf and found a second set of wolf prints nearby, confirming for the first time that the endangered wolf -- extirpated by ranchers more than 70 years ago -- has returned to Utah.
Federal officials from Wyoming came to Utah on Monday and took custody of the wolf to return it to its pack, the Druid Peak Pack in northeastern Yellowstone National Park, more than 200 miles to the north, said Alan Clark, a manager at the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources (DWR).
The trapper caught the wolf in a leghold trap in the mountains north of Morgan, about 30 miles south of where ranchers and wildlife officials reported seeing and hearing wolves last summer.
The wolf, a black male, was wearing a radio collar. Recognizing the animal as an endangered species, the trapper called state wildlife officials, who held the wolf in a cage in Morgan County pending the arrival of U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) officials.
The confirmation of wolves in Utah underscores the need for the state to develop a wolf-management plan, say environmentalists and federal wildlife managers.
The wolf -- which has been successfully re-established in the wilds of Idaho, Wyoming and Montana -- enjoys the full protection of the Endangered Species Act, meaning only the federal government can harm or move it.
Within a few months, the FWS is expected to propose reclassifying the wolf's status from "endangered" to "threatened," meaning that federal restrictions on killing or harassing the animal would be eased.
The agency is moving to "delist," or remove, the wolf from the threatened and endangered list in two years, after which management of the wolf will be in the hands of the states.
Utah will probably have the option of making room for the wolf in its wildlife mix or treating it like other predators, with open hunting seasons.
Kevin Conway, director of the Utah DWR, said it is too early to prepare a plan because the state does not know what parameters the FWS will attach to the wolf's delisting.
"It's hard to prepare a plan until we know what the framework is going to be that we're allowed to work within," Conway said.
At least one Utah lawmaker, however, wants wolves out of Utah.
Rep. Michael Styler, R-Delta, is drafting a resolution that would ask the FWS to remove any wolf that comes into Utah.
"We should take them back to where there is an adequate prey base. We don't have that here," said Styler, a farmer.
Ed Bangs, wolf recovery manager for the FWS, disagreed. "There are plenty of places in Utah where wolves can live," Bangs said. "They are not aliens. They are part of Utah's heritage."
As for Styler's proposal to remove wolves that wander into Utah, Bangs said, "We're not going to be doing that. . . . Why spend time and money on a wolf that isn't doing anything wrong?"
The wolf caught in Utah on Saturday was removed only because it was already in captivity.
Otherwise, FWS would not have bothered, Bangs said.
Still, the action drew the wrath of environmentalists, who believe the wolves should be allowed to wander freely as long as they stay out of trouble.
"We are dismayed the Fish and Wildlife Service is going to haul [the wolf] back to Wyoming," said Nina Fascione, species conservation coordinator for the Washington, D.C.-based Defenders of Wildlife.
Bangs said the agency's usual policy is to remove wolves only if they are causing problems.
For example, last summer, the FWS authorized Wildlife Services, a federal agency charged with protecting agriculture from predators, to find and destroy a wolf believed to be responsible for the killing of 15 lambs south of Hardware Ranch, about 20 miles southeast of Logan.
In that case, a wolflike creature was spotted feasting on a lamb carcass on July 7 by a Chilean sheepherder. Two other ranchers and an investigator for Wildlife Services later heard a wolf howling in the area.
Wildlife experts said they were almost positive the predator was a wolf but could not be sure until they had the animal in custody.
They were unable to locate the wolf, which they believe eventually fled the state. It is not the same wolf captured Saturday based on its color.
With that capture, however, wildlife experts are now certain wolves have returned.
"We knew it was coming," said Mike Bodenchuk, Utah field director for Wildlife Services. "With the expansion of wolf populations to the north, it was inevitable. The only question was when."
Bodenchuk said the captured wolf and the wolf that produced the second set of nearby tracks probably wandered south from their packs and followed the Bear River mountain range into Utah. "It's got all the groceries, the elk and deer, that the wolves need."
While Bodenchuk said the wolves were probably both males, Bangs said he believes the male's partner was a female and that the couple were scoping out new territory to establish a pack of their own.
It's almost mating season, Bangs said.
"Breeding season lasts for several months. Young wolves are looking for new loves and a new life, so it's no surprise that one showed up in northern Utah. The fact this wolf walked down from Yellowstone and has a buddy there, it wouldn't surprise me if another one moves in there."
 
Yep, I was not surprised at all to see that news release. They did get down here a little quicker then I even thought they would. From the Morgan Valley, it's just a hop, skip, and a jump over to the Uintas. I've heard quite a bit of speculation that they are already established somewhat there. I don't know for sure, but as vast as that wilderness is, it would be hard to prove, absent some physical evidence, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Wasn't part of the Fed's sales pitch on the Yellowstone reintroduction that they, in their much vaunted and educated position, were quite certain that all us hay-seeds here in the mountain west, were "up in the night" about concerns over expansion well beyond Yellowstone? Yep, we were just being paranoid again, I guess...
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So heres a question for everyone with an opinion on it---

Is it a "good thing" or a "bad thing" that Wolves are returning to their historic ranges ? Please justify your answer as well.

Tell us the "So What" of it all with you answer.
 
This may sound like the cop-out answer of all time, but I think it can be good, or bad depending largely on how the USFWS choses to manage them.

Ideally, I think they (the USFWS) needs to be pretty much out of the loop, with management decisions left up to the various state agencies. I think any involvement above and beyond the levels that they have with regards to migratory game birds, would be way too much. It's awfully easy to say wolves should not be hunted, when you aren't the one whose finding several thousand dollars worth of your stock being torn down by the local pack. the distance between the DC-based bureacracy and those who have to deal with the dinning habits of wolves is sometimes much greater than it appears on the map!

Another concern is their proximity to human populations. Wolves lurking in the woods outside Hamilton, MT is one thing. But when you have these critters close to major population centers (Morgan, UT is home to about 5,000 people, but just on the other side of the mountain (20 minute car ride) from the 1 million + of the Salt Lake/Ogden metro area.) Salt Lake, Boise, Pocatello, Grand Junction, Flagstaff, etc. aren't exactly the tiny, remote frontier towns they once were.

Again, it all comes down to the management plan. If these critters learn that man = death, than wolves returning to their traditional range could work. Obviously hunting needs to be part of that strategy, where appropriate populations exsist.
 
Wolves have been spotted in Northern NV for several years now. It looks like the state is going to have an open season on them. Nobody wants them except the greenies.

I wouldn't mind shooting one. I'll even save the fur.

Jack
 
Scattergun was right, it depends on how they're managed. And since here in Mn. they've allowed them to flourish and still keep them on the endangered species list,I'd say it's a losing proposition. Once They have a huntable population, there is no way in hell you'll ever get to hunt them. If you even mention hunting wolves anywhere near the twin cities, it causes a massive panic attack among normally rational people. Bush will convince the public to drill for oil in ANWR long before anyone will consider hunting wolves in the lower 48. If the dnr ever convinces the public that we really do need a season on wolves, I'll start preparing for the apocalypse because that will be the first sign.
 
why not protect the wolfs in yellowstone, and protect everything else(from wolfs) outside yellowstone....we all win that way, the tourists get something else to hope to see, and we get something else to hope to shoot!
 
I'd have to weigh in on the "bad news" side. The FWS wolf re-introduction methods seem more geared to urban taxpayer gratification complete with photo coverage than biology based ecosystem improvement. For example, expanding wolf populations in the Idaho Panhandle-Easterm Washington Selkirk Mtns threaten the mountain cariboo, probably the most rare large mammal in the lower 48! It seems that prey species don't get the same reintroduction effort from the FWS.With the type of bubget that's required for these programs, ranchers could be handsomely compensated for any losses! QJ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
This whole issue is so typical of the political and bureaucratic B.S. we all have to wade through before we finally find someone with an ounce of common sense to lead the way. Ed Bangs of the FWS seems to be the common sense person. He was quoted as saying: "Why spend the money to remove a wolf from the area that hasn't done anything wrong" And then there is the opposite: Rep. Mike Styler, R-Delta Utah saying that the all wolves should be removed from Utah and sent to where the have an adequate prey base. Mike, what state is this again? When was the last time you were in the wilderness area of the Uintah Mtn range? C'mon, Utah can easily support a well managed wolf community, take a look at how the mountain lion has flourished over the past 20 years. The key here is management. Develope a plan and prepare for a worse case scenario where the wolves are interacting with the human population in an unacceptable manner. Then manage the program to avoid that. If it happens, implement the plan, if it never happens, great. Either way, for those of us here in the state, having wolves in Utah with a draw hunt when the population requires it could be a great thing.
 
Scott b, that's a good post but that's how it works in fantasy land. We got a huge population of wolves here and they act like there are two left. With the wolf, all common sense gets checked at the door.
 
I barely read this one..sorry!

ButI don't think "Mike" may actually beleive the preay base response, but it gives him a good platform to stand on to get the ranchers behind him!

All I know is that if they let them in, then I want a chance to hunt one or two or three!

I also agree that like cougars, the wolf could exhist. But I don't want the deer or elk numbers to decline anymore. MAybe it is bad timing with the deer trying to come back I don't know, butthe wolves will come and we just need to figure out how to handle it.

C
 
I also feel that it can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how they manage them. I would love to see a conrolled tag draw when the population permits it. I do feel for the ranchers to a point, ranchers have always had to deal with problems with predators so its nothing new. For the most part they are compensated for any livestock loses, but I do feel they should be allowed to protect their livestock also.
The states with a good population could make a large amount of revenue from a controlled draw hunt.
 
Yotehunter6, compensated, my foot !! You must PROVE what killed the animal to have any chance of compensation. I may not find a dead animal for weeks in the 9000 acres of brush & rocks, canyons & arroyos where I try to raise enough cattle to make a little profit. This country is NOT like the East, maybe 6 animal units to the acre. More like 1 animal unit to 30 acres here, and it's even worse in the southern part of the state - I've seen areas where 1 animal unit to the SECTION (640 acres, or 1 square mile). Point is, this isn't like finding the loss tomorrow in your back yard, it's more like possibly NEVER finding the remains because maybe a bear scavenged it, leaving NOTHING !! Compensation, my butt!! In 43 years in agriculture, I've been compensated 1 time - for lost grazing during the drought - NEVER for a predator - killed animal.
Mark
 
Like I said, I feel for you guys. But this problem has always been here and always will be. I hate to say it but it goes with the territory.
I dont like to see anyone loose livestock or any other type of animal. But when you have prey type animals roaming around it will attract predators. If its not wolves then its Mt.Lions,yotes or bears ect. I understand that reintroducing the wolves has caused alot of problems and may or maynot have been the wise thing to do. But it has happened and now we all have to deal with it the best we can.
The best I can do is to hope that someday ill beable to get myself a wolf tag, until then its S.S.S.
 
I see it like this.

If any of you or those that donot have cattle, sheep, etc. imagine:

Hypothetical mind you!

You go to pick up your pay check on friday, every friday. They pay you in cash. Right when your cash comes out of the paycheck machine, a magpie/crow/whatever protected bird swoops down and takes a big chunk of yor money! Then it flys off to parts unknown. This keeps happening every friday. You try to hide your money so sometimes he only gets a little..sometimes he gets more. The goverment sayd they will reimburse you if you can prove the bird stole your money, but only what they deem appropriate.

What would you do? How would you feel?

It is a little different when it's your money getting stolen/eaten/etc.

My 2 cents worth!

C
 
I wouldn't mind shooting one. I'll even save the fur.

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I am afraid the Feds will not let you shoot any of them for any reason. The state of Wyoming has tried to come up with a "Wolf Management" to get them de-listed from the endangered species list, but the Fed's won't seem to accept anything that has to do with the state killing them for management purposes. The wolves are very prolific, and their numbers are way beyond the orignal desired re-introduction population. You folks in Utah and Idaho would do well to start screaming about the wolves right now, before any of your big game population gets decimated. I am not crying wolf either /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif , the moose count and the elk cow-calf ratio in Wyoming is in dire straits. You might read or hear it different, but I can show you historical winter ranges & calving grounds were the wolves have impacted the deer, elk, bighorn, and moose populations significantly. If the Feds would allow the state to manage wolves out of the Yellowstone right now, it still would take several years to get the big game numbers back to the 1993 levels. I think our grandfathers had it figured pretty good way back when they managed the wolves. Just my opinion, don't want to offend anyone, but the wolves are not any good period.

Greg
 
I cant see how anyone would want to wipe out populations of certain species of animals just because they dont agree with the animals methods of survival. I will be the first to agree that the population needs to be controlled and farmers and ranchers should have the ability to protect their property.
In a inviorment that is in controll, all animals perform a function that is important to their inviorment. Just because I dont own livestock doesnt mean I dont have a opinion on the subject.
I love hunting predators but I never want to see them wiped out.
 
We are having to deal with the reintroduction of the mexican grey wolf in my part of the country. I am not against reintroduction just their methods. If they spent a fraction of the money they have spent on the wolf on habitat improvement the wolf might be successful. I participated in all the meetings prior to their introduction and the Fish and Wildlife people assures us that the wolves would stay in the wilderness areas and would not be an impact on rural game populations or cattle. So far every wolf that has died has been within a few miles of one of our rural towns. They would not listen to the fact that there is virtually no wildlife in our wilderness area due to habitat mis management over the last 50 years(AKA wildfire suppression). Today the Agencies are still suplemental feeding the wolf packs. They just passed a resolution that the ranchers must remove any cattle carcases on their range so these wolves that will not leave the wilderness will not accidently feed on their rural cattle and get a taste for beef. Everytime one of their wolves gets in trouble they pick it up and relocate it. They have way to much human contact. IMHO if they ever want the wolf to be successful they need to have a breeding population in captivity and everytime they get a handfull of 7 month old offspring they should dump them. Let them live or die. If they get around people they should get shot at. This will teach them several lessons. 1. How to die. 2. not to go around people. 3. Humans are not their friend. If they would do this eventually we would have successful introductions. As they are doing it they are just creating a species of welfare cases that will continue to be a problem. ( kind of reminds you of our human welfare system doesn't it.)

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As it is reintroducing anouther large predator in a time when deer populations are at a critical stage and elk populations are decreasing significantly does not seem to make good sense. But sense when has the Department of the Interior or the National Fish and Wildlife done anything that resembled common sense?

Scott
 
Oh yea, they are here and in greater numbers then any of the DWR people will admit. As it stands now Im about 99.9% sure that Ive personally seen one and heard of at least two others that other people that Ive talked to have seen.

First one was up near Avon near Ogden a couple years back. He was quite a ways away and through the scope I couldnt quite figure out what I was looking at, it looked like a husky sorta, but taller and thinner and out in the middle of nowhere. LOTS of dead sheep in the area. Most were just killed and left to rot. Doggy looking tracks in the area that were MUCH larger then the ones Ive seen from even the largest coyotes in this area.

Second one I heard about was out near the Golden Spike monument. One of the rangers was out doing a morning tour and noticed that some cattle had pushed a barbed wire fence down, breaking and bending the metal T poles. The cattle were all bunched up in the middle of the road and almost refused to leave the road. After he passed the herd he saw what he thought at the time was a BIG greyish brownish dog walk across the road. He thought it was someones dog that was either dumped out there or lost. After talking about it, he is VERY sure it was a wolf.

Third was up near the snowville area where a small rancher was losing calves, but they werent being eaten. Just killed, throats ripped out, and left to rot. Not a whole lot of calves either, just one or two here and there. He thought it was coyotes but seeing the size of some of the tracks in the area there isnt any way that those are coyote tracks... WAY too big. Well, if they are... Och! Who wants to go for the state record for coyote? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Ahhhyup.... we's aints got nothin' to worry 'bout them thar Montanaian and Idahoian wolves. DWR says that.. must be true.
 
The Utah Wolf Management Plan should simply be a cut and paste of whatever plan in in place for coyotes. They are just too aggresive of a predator to co-exist around livestock of any sort, not just calves.
 


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