GameEarGabe
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I put in for an Elk Tag this year in Wyoming, my credit card has been charged, does this mean that I drew a tag?
Thanks,
Gabe
Thanks,
Gabe
Wyoming Draw?
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Off the f&g site.
Note: We will immediately charge your credit card for the full amount of the license plus the application fee and any donations. If you are successful in the draw, the license and a copy of the regulations should be mailed within 15 days of the draw result date. If you are unsuccessful in the draw, you will be mailed a State of Wyoming warrant (refund check) for the amount of the license fee only within 15 days of the draw result date. See Application Dates and Deadlines, for draw result dates. By clicking ACCEPT below, you are authorizing the Wyoming Game & Fish Department to charge your credit card for the full amount of the license fee plus the application fee and any donations, and have read and understand the Refund Policy.
Note: We will immediately charge your credit card for the full amount of the license plus the application fee and any donations. If you are successful in the draw, the license and a copy of the regulations should be mailed within 15 days of the draw result date. If you are unsuccessful in the draw, you will be mailed a State of Wyoming warrant (refund check) for the amount of the license fee only within 15 days of the draw result date. See Application Dates and Deadlines, for draw result dates. By clicking ACCEPT below, you are authorizing the Wyoming Game & Fish Department to charge your credit card for the full amount of the license fee plus the application fee and any donations, and have read and understand the Refund Policy.
GameEarGabe
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Thank you, guess I missed that part
Gabe
Gabe
Originally Posted By: Jerry MMan that's a sucky way to do business. Just charge the winners! Oh wait, can't hold your money for however many days it take to do the drawing = thousands in banks interest for the state......never mind.
It's actually a good business model, and the one I prefer. In addition to the interest accrual that you talk about, this method also ensures that only those that are at least mildly serious about the hunt apply. It prevents, at least to some extent, the mass of "tire-kickers" you'd see if only the application fee was charged up front. When NM went to electronic draw, and decided only to charge application fees, the number of applicants doubled or more for nearly all hunts. That was a direct result of the ease and relatively low expense with which one could apply. When there's little risk, many will gamble. I personally knew of several individuals that put in for a hunt "just 'cuz it's cheap," then drew it and couldn't go. There were also rumors that a number of anti-hunters put in the draw also, knowing that if they did draw they'd reduce the number of dead bambis, and if they didn't no real money out of their pocket. Though I personally don't like coming up with all the money at application time, it's better than the reduction in tags going to serious hunters.
It's actually a good business model, and the one I prefer. In addition to the interest accrual that you talk about, this method also ensures that only those that are at least mildly serious about the hunt apply. It prevents, at least to some extent, the mass of "tire-kickers" you'd see if only the application fee was charged up front. When NM went to electronic draw, and decided only to charge application fees, the number of applicants doubled or more for nearly all hunts. That was a direct result of the ease and relatively low expense with which one could apply. When there's little risk, many will gamble. I personally knew of several individuals that put in for a hunt "just 'cuz it's cheap," then drew it and couldn't go. There were also rumors that a number of anti-hunters put in the draw also, knowing that if they did draw they'd reduce the number of dead bambis, and if they didn't no real money out of their pocket. Though I personally don't like coming up with all the money at application time, it's better than the reduction in tags going to serious hunters.
HPW
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Originally Posted By: Jerry MMan that's a sucky way to do business. Just charge the winners! Oh wait, can't hold your money for however many days it take to do the drawing = thousands in banks interest for the state......never mind.
No problem. Use that capitalist muscle and Don't put in for a license to hunt in Wyoming. I'm sure G&F will feel the sting of the lost thousands of dollars of interest from your $600 and change their practice.
No problem. Use that capitalist muscle and Don't put in for a license to hunt in Wyoming. I'm sure G&F will feel the sting of the lost thousands of dollars of interest from your $600 and change their practice.
ghilliedogger
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Not to mention do you want your credit card information sitting out there in cyberspace waiting to get hacked.
There are security issues with sitting on peoples information, if they charge your card then your information is deleted and the risk isn't sitting in a database somewhere.
There are security issues with sitting on peoples information, if they charge your card then your information is deleted and the risk isn't sitting in a database somewhere.
OOOH boo hoo you do not get the money back you were hoping to spend anyways... Really this is a non issue. You choose to hunt so you pay the price. In all honesty they should and need to have the money up front. Otherwise many people would end up not having the funds availible when they draw and it would mess the whole system up. On top of that the money goes to the wildlife department. If they lost this money it would be replaced directly by raising tag cost. Oh and the credit card issue is not an issue at all. You can pay by check in the mail or go directly to the offices, etc. when you get a refund they do not track your card and give a credit back, they cut a check mailed to you in the mail. So until you really whine about something do a little research. I am fine giving them my $1000 a year. When I draw I am happy when I get my check back, I simply put it back in the bank until next year.
Also how long do you really think it takes to process thousands of applications? What would be a reasonable time to handle all the application, sort out which units they go for, who drew what on first draw, second draw, etc. It is not a very simple process at all. In Colorado alone there are over 500 hunt codes a person could pick...
Also how long do you really think it takes to process thousands of applications? What would be a reasonable time to handle all the application, sort out which units they go for, who drew what on first draw, second draw, etc. It is not a very simple process at all. In Colorado alone there are over 500 hunt codes a person could pick...
1happyshooter
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Actually, with the technology available to day, it is a very simple process to handle the apps, if the forms are filled out correctly and designed to be read electronically. If it is incorrect, chunk them as already happens. You feed them into a scanner that records the data to a database, which then verifies the data against the known quantities of available tags & regions, while using a ranking of various weighted items such as preference points, resident/non-res status or any other criteria the G&F want to include.
It is what it is: a way to ensure that the tags are only drawn for people who will actually pay for them. No "I changed my mind, times are hard right now, can I get back to you," etc. etc. Whether you change your mind, get sick and can't go, or any other reason, the G&F still has the money for the tag.
It is what it is: a way to ensure that the tags are only drawn for people who will actually pay for them. No "I changed my mind, times are hard right now, can I get back to you," etc. etc. Whether you change your mind, get sick and can't go, or any other reason, the G&F still has the money for the tag.
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1happyshooter, even with the electronic system it is not simple. Especially since many people still apply via mail. Theese application are filled out by hand and require someone on the opposite side to read and enter the tags. This also has to include a reasonable time for the mail system to be purdged of all the applications that were post mark on the last day. While most of the time it wil not take more than a couple days we all know and have had mail that has taken 2+ weeks to show up. Like you mentioned there are many tags that maybe hard to read, or ones that are miss placed etc. Even when done by computer, while on face value it would seem like a simple process, it does get complex. Also by the time the tags are due, some states including CO are still setting tag limits and management quotes during the spring for the fall hunt, based on counts.
If I had a complaint about the draw system it would we should know sooner, but that would typically require the entire process moved forward. When I am trying to hunt 2 states, the sooner I know where and what the sooner I can scout and figure out where I am going to take days off etc. For example if everything goes right this year, I should have an Antelop Tag in WY, A Deer tag in WY, A Buck Deer Tag in CO, A bull tag in Colorado, and a cow elk tag in CO. My wife should get a different deer tag in CO and a bulltag, and a cow tag as well. When making out my hunting schedule in the fall I would love to know where I am hunting in mardh so that my spring camping trips could double as scouting trips.
If I had a complaint about the draw system it would we should know sooner, but that would typically require the entire process moved forward. When I am trying to hunt 2 states, the sooner I know where and what the sooner I can scout and figure out where I am going to take days off etc. For example if everything goes right this year, I should have an Antelop Tag in WY, A Deer tag in WY, A Buck Deer Tag in CO, A bull tag in Colorado, and a cow elk tag in CO. My wife should get a different deer tag in CO and a bulltag, and a cow tag as well. When making out my hunting schedule in the fall I would love to know where I am hunting in mardh so that my spring camping trips could double as scouting trips.
I think the the way it is done would be about the only way to do it? I know alot can happen and what if 200 tags were drawn and peoploe didn't pay for them. It would be bad for everyone the state and the hunters. I am waiting for my buddies money and going to put in for antelope tags in wyoming.