Hunting in the East forum gone.

[Yellowhammer]

From what I'm seeing here, most of the Board and Mods have dug in their heels to reject a rather simple request. The name of this Website is Predator Masters. It is a bit difficult to understand how Varmints and small game, along with Big Game Hunting get their own forums and have nothing to do with Predator Hunting while Hunting in the East and Baiting which are about predator hunting get lumped into the General Predator forum. What Kino has been trying to voice is that the tactics are vastly different for both those categories. For that matter why not lump all "Calls" into one Forum?

Meanwhile, how many moderators or Board members are from east of the Mississippi? How many have ever been asked or even considered as Board members or mods? Secondly, while I find the ability to post pictures and videos somewhat easier, the opening page of the forums is pretty flat and not very attractive. It doesn't have much visual appeal and is unlikely to catch and hold visitors (my opinion only). Perhaps it is because it is so new and will receive updates as time goes on. This may be the beta version I guess.

I want this place to be great, period. I want it to be easy to use, visually attractive , and responsive to the members who post here regularly. Rarely am I seeing more than 8 or 10 members online here at one time and about 80-100 visitors. Participation is low, extremely low, and without members who are willing to post fresh content, there is only one end. We don't need to be taking potshots at one another sniping and bickering back and forth. Ok, so I've had my say, now you can blow up and accuse me of being childish, or you can really listen to the heartfelt desires from at least some of your members.

We have had several mods from the east before, I believe Stu in Florida and a current BOD

the opening page of the forums is pretty flat and not very attractive. It doesn't have much visual appeal and is unlikely to catch and hold visitors (my opinion only). Perhaps it is because it is so new and will receive updates as time goes on.

Yes, that is correct. We hope to have some improvements to the forum page, and the main website as well.

Rarely am I seeing more than 8 or 10 members online here at one time and about 80-100 visitors. Participation is low, extremely low, and without members who are willing to post fresh content, there is only one end. We don't need to be taking potshots at one another sniping and bickering back and forth. Ok, so I've had my say, now you can blow up and accuse me of being childish, or you can really listen to the heartfelt desires from at least some of your members.

There could be several reasons for that. If a member is viewing, but not logged in, they show up as a guest. Board traffic has definitely been down the last couple of years and that is why steps have been taken to change that. Pot shots as you say are definitely not helpful to be sure.

 

[Kino M]

Facts? Now talk about exaggeration! Have you ever actually hunted out west?

Yellowhammer thats EXACTLY why I posted kill pictures from east and west, to PROVE that I actually do hunt everywhere and to prove that I kill shit.

That's EXACTLY why I asked you and ANYONE from the west to post your pictures of great success FROM THE EAST and not ONE of you have, not one.

Not ONE single person that claims its the same and was in favor of getting rid of the eastern forum has posted ANY type of proof that they are a successful eastern hunter. All you guys have done is voice a factless opinion.

In fact

Will someone please point out where anything says the Predator forum is for hunting in the west. I thought it covered any Predator hunting. Am I wrong? To the best of my knowledge there has never been a west forum and have never seen a complaint about that. This is about hunting predators not segregating east from west. Am I incorrect about that? I have not seen any valid reason shown here to seperate them. Do we just eliminate the Predator forum and create an east and west forum? Do we start removing posts made by people that are out of their area? Where is the border like Sean asked? Right now all I see is someone thinking they are better and then cut down someone else because they don’t killl the same amount of coyotes. That is not a valid discussion.

The west does have more public land but to say it is easier to kill coyotes is not correct. There are also more people hitting that land and using it for other recreation. Not all the west is wide open. We do have dense forests also.

Posting pictures and videos doesn't have anything to do with ego, it has to do with a person validating their opinions with facts and proof that they actually hunt both east and west and are a successful hunter. I don't consider unsuccessful hunters opinions much because they suck and there tactics are majorly flawed.

You come here, same as YH and claim its not easier to kill coyotes in the west, and its the same, that tells me you know very very little about coyote hunting in the east. That tells me you've probably never even been here hunting so why do you expect guys to prove you wrong when you know zero??


Instead of you guys telling us its the same even though you don't know shit about it, maybe you should LISTEN and CONSIDER what the successful eastern guys are actually saying instead of forming an ignorant opinion and digging your heals in.

 

[Kino M]

The directors and moderators are trying to make things better here. A lot of time and work has gone in to moving the server, getting things set up and members access. It seems no matter what is done any more, some have to through a fit and not even try to discuss. It is impossible to please everyone but we do the best we can.

This is a discussion dude!! And how pompous of you say having such is "throwing a fit", you simply don't want to discuss it because you have no validity in your stance or opinions.

Let's try it this way, please explain how having the eastern forum, one for decades is detrimental to the growth of this site???

We will anxiously awaiting...

 

[Yellowhammer]

Hey but we need a "Big Game" Forum on PREDATOR MASTERS"...lol

It came about like most all of the forums because members asked for it. In consolidation that was talked about.

We did not want to lose any content, and there is not an appropriate forum to merge it with.

We had added so many forums it became cluttered and many posts died due to lake of interest because people quite looking in those forums. Some forums had 2 years worth of posts on one page. Those did not make the cut and are currently archived (not lost just not visible).

Some were merged as was the "east".

 

[Kino M]

From what I'm seeing here, most of the Board and Mods have dug in their heels to reject a rather simple request. The name of this Website is Predator Masters. It is a bit difficult to understand how Varmints and small game, along with Big Game Hunting get their own forums and have nothing to do with Predator Hunting while Hunting in the East and Baiting which are about predator hunting get lumped into the General Predator forum. What Kino has been trying to voice is that the tactics are vastly different for both those categories. For that matter why not lump all "Calls" into one Forum?

Meanwhile, how many moderators or Board members are from east of the Mississippi? How many have ever been asked or even considered as Board members or mods? Secondly, while I find the ability to post pictures and videos somewhat easier, the opening page of the forums is pretty flat and not very attractive. It doesn't have much visual appeal and is unlikely to catch and hold visitors (my opinion only). Perhaps it is because it is so new and will receive updates as time goes on. This may be the beta version I guess.

I want this place to be great, period. I want it to be easy to use, visually attractive , and responsive to the members who post here regularly. Rarely am I seeing more than 8 or 10 members online here at one time and about 80-100 visitors. Participation is low, extremely low, and without members who are willing to post fresh content, there is only one end. We don't need to be taking potshots at one another sniping and bickering back and forth. Ok, so I've had my say, now you can blow up and accuse me of being childish, or you can really listen to the heartfelt desires from at least some of your members.

Wise words from a well proven eastern hunter, people should listen....

Currently, and thats all that really matters is I'm the only mod from the east and Stu is the only Director.

We are in need of a moderator, you'd be a good one.

 

[Yellowhammer]

Kino- read a little closer. I did not quote you about exaggeration. That was someone else who thinks all the west is virgin calling and you get a coyote on ever stand just by driving around with the caller hanging out the window.

I get that you don't think East Texas is east enough ( I only posted east Texas pictures and none of my hunts out west. I never killed the numbers you posted, but I don't have the same cred.

 

[alf]

I feel like the red headed step child, too far west to be east, and too far east to be west.......

However, the center of the contiguous United States is Lebanon, Ks:

 

[Kino M]

Kino- read a little closer. I did not quote you about exaggeration. That was someone else who thinks all the west is virgin calling and you get a coyote on ever stand but by driving around with the caller hanging out the window.

I get that you don't think East Texas is east enough ( I only posted east Texas pictures and none of my hunts out west. I never killed the numbers you posted, but I don't have the same cred.

Dude I'm not trying to call people out or belittle them, I'm not trying to turn this into a mudslinging contest of egos, what I'm trying to do is question and challenge as to why you and others think its the same and simply prove that you've been successful with your hunting tactics all across the country.

If you haven't hunted all across the country successfully than you don't know what your talking about and your forming opinions not based on fact. Your an educated man and show me one single thing in science that doesn't utilize fact???

Many of these guys in this thread ARE from the east and are very successful, they are telling you they want an eastern forum because the tactics are different. Why would you or anyone oppose that and not support them???

And one last little geography lesson, you brought up Georgia. I've been all over, from north to south, east to west. I've hunted and trained at several military bases there.

Tactics in southwest GA. In the delta and rich farming environment is COMPLETELY different than the mountains in Dolonaga, and if you threw in the swamps of Savanah you would think you was on 3 different planets. Again, east Texas is vastly different than the mountains of West Virginia and I've been to both of those places to.

 

[Kino M]

I feel like the red headed step child, too far west to be east, and too far east to be west.......

Why are you drawing a line through my living room all!! Wonder if my house is a line straddled sure looks like it on your chart!!

 

[alf]

Why are you drawing a line through my living room all!! Wonder if my house is a line straddled sure looks like it on your chart!!

Enema Central?

 

[DoubleUp]

One question for all of you. If the Board isn't going to be responsive to members requests, then how did we get a Suppressor Forum, Hog Calling Forum, and as already mentioned a Big Game hunting forum along with others? It would seem that if one has enough clout, one can get a Forum they desire. Evidently Eastern hunters and Baiters don't have much clout!

This is beginning to sound like Joe Biden telling us how good the economy is.

 

[Kwarw123]

Just so you know, 1trkyhntr isn't the only one who is disappointed in this. Many of us have been members here for over a decade and we have been trying to work through this new format, without complaining much I might add. Some may choose to speak up and some may choose to remain silent, but remember that "Decisions have consequences", and when you get to make all the decisions you also get to take full responsibility for the consequences. I'm not leaving "yet", but I'm pretty disappointed in the way this has been pushed on us. Enough said I guess.

Agree 100%

 

[crazyyote]

Please don't forget us Yankee's out East!! Thanks for all of your hard work.

 

[Kwarw123]

The directors and moderators are trying to make things better here. A lot of time and work has gone in to moving the server, getting things set up and members access. It seems no matter what is done any more, some have to through a fit and not even try to discuss. It is impossible to please everyone but we do the best we can.

I am sure that this is true,However.

After going through a week in purgatory,losing my identity,and having to start over I am disappointed as well. I have never posted much here but hung out in the East and Night forums.
Perhaps it would have been wise to
1) do the transition
2) do a survey about a Proposed change and go from there.

Just my $0.02

 

[crazyyote]

220 Swift,
One thing very different in the East, at least in Ohio, is you are supposed to carry written permission from landowners when you hunt. That means any private land you obtain permission to be on. It takes quite some time to amass a lot of properties to hunt, at least in my area in Northern Ohio. Some places I hunt are only about 5 acre lots, and as crazy as it sounds they can be productive year after year. It's tough in the East, really is.

 

[Pa. Mick]

Well guys I’m only speaking from my experience here in THE FAR EAST, Pennsylvania !
I believe it was Big Al Morris that said taking a coyote in Pennsylvania is like taking a trophy buck “ after hunting here” ! They are that hard to hunt here ! Believe what you want.
I have never hunted coyotes out west but I’ve seen plenty of posts/ videos how many can be taken in the west in a day or weekend. You will not pile them up like that here in the East !
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE !

 

[220_Swift]

220 Swift,
One thing very different in the East, at least in Ohio, is you are supposed to carry written permission from landowners when you hunt. That means any private land you obtain permission to be on. It takes quite some time to amass a lot of properties to hunt, at least in my area in Northern Ohio. Some places I hunt are only about 5 acre lots, and as crazy as it sounds they can be productive year after year. It's tough in the East, really is.

Oklahoma is pretty close to the same as you. There is very little Public land that can hunt here. I am very fortunate in owning an auto parts store for 53 years in a small town that I got to meet farmers and ranchers from several miles around. My friendship with them allows me to hunt thousands of acres in central Oklahoma. We also have to have permission. Doesn’t have to be written unless you are night hunting and that is something new around here to be able to coyote and pig hunt at night without bunch of crap to wade through legally.
Most of our farm ground is 1 square mile sections with a county road on every side. Every farmer carries a rifle and takes pot shots at any coyote. Very few shots connect. So if you see a coyote in an open field they are running a hundred miles per hour.

I don’t deny that hunting is tough in the east but I honestly think is because of a lower number of coyotes compared to western states.
You will never convince me that the coyotes are any different than any where else.
The other reason so many people hunt western states versus the east is access to millions of acres of government land that anyone can hunt without having to ask permission.
I can promise there are a lot of dry stands made in western states but the good thing is in some of the states where there is BLM land you just need to drive a couple miles and try it again.

 

[reb8600]

If you haven't hunted all across the country successfully than you don't know what your talking about and your forming opinions not based on fact. Your an educated man and show me one single thing in science that doesn't utilize fact???

Many of these guys in this thread ARE from the east and are very successful, they are telling you they want an eastern forum because the tactics are different. Why would you or anyone oppose that and not support them???

And one last little geography lesson, you brought up Georgia. I've been all over, from north to south, east to west. I've hunted and trained at several military bases there.

Tactics in southwest GA. In the delta and rich farming environment is COMPLETELY different than the mountains in Dolonaga, and if you threw in the swamps of Savanah you would think you was on 3 different planets. Again, east Texas is vastly different than the mountains of West Virginia and I've been to both of those places to.

Ok, so how many of the eastern hunters here wanting it back have as you put it "hunted all across the country successfully"? Not once or twice but successful enough to be experts and know what they are talking about? If they havent then according to you they are not experts and their opinions are not based on fact either. Since the "tactics" are different in so many locations, do we make a forum for each of them or is this just about the eastern members.

Wise words from a well proven eastern hunter, people should listen....

Currently, and thats all that really matters is I'm the only mod from the east and Stu is the only Director.

We are in need of a moderator, you'd be a good one.

So because they are proven eastern hunters we should listen? Once again how much experience out west do the others from the east have out west to make a comparison. Because as you said, "If you haven't hunted all across the country successfully than you don't know what your talking about and your forming opinions not based on fact." There have been several from the east in the past and present.
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Posting pictures and videos doesn't have anything to do with ego, it has to do with a person validating their opinions with facts and proof that they actually hunt both east and west and are a successful hunter. I don't consider unsuccessful hunters opinions much because they suck and there tactics are majorly flawed.

I am sure the unsuccessful hunters here on PM will appreciate knowing what you think of them since "they suck". I would call that showing your ego but hey it has nothing to do with ego does it.

You come here, same as YH and claim its not easier to kill coyotes in the west, and its the same, that tells me you know very very little about coyote hunting in the east. That tells me you've probably never even been here hunting so why do you expect guys to prove you wrong when you know zero??

I dont think I ever said it was easier to kill coyotes in the east. If I did, show me the post. You are correct, I have never hunted the east and am not as successful as you so my opinion must suck. That being the case, this will be the last post I make on this subject and will not discuss it again. How many of those here that you say are very successful in the east are as you put it successful in the west also. If they are not then according to you, they dont know what they are talking about. That is how you worded that.




Now back to the question that has been asked several times that not even you have answered. What is different from east to west. Dont just say tactics as that is the only thing being said. What do you do so different in the east that nobody does in the west?? Also, where does it say the Predator forum is west only?? You also have not said what the line is for the east.

Also since it the different tactics that seem to be the argument here for putting the forum back, I would like to see you share links from your posts in the last 6 months that were discussions about tactics. I am pretty sure that just about all the posts even made in that forum were just posts about successful hunts and not discussions about tactics.

 

[DAA]

The name of this Website is Predator Masters. It is a bit difficult to understand how Varmints and small game, along with Big Game Hunting get their own forums and have nothing to do with Predator Hunting while Hunting in the East and Baiting which are about predator hunting get lumped into the General Predator forum.

Those other topics have nothing to do with predator hunting. So they weren't moved to predator hunting. I'd personally like to see the number of them trimmed. One single "other" forum wouldn't be a bad idea, in my opinion. But hunting in the east, is predator hunting. Same for baiting. So it seemed to make sense to put them in predator hunting.

Rarely am I seeing more than 8 or 10 members online here at one time and about 80-100 visitors. Participation is low, extremely low, and without members who are willing to post fresh content, there is only one end.

Exactly. That was the main point of making the change (along with easier navigation and better visual appeal - the old giant forum listing just looked like a mess). There's not much traffic overall anymore and it seems kind of stupid to separate what little traffic there is, when they can all easily fit into one forum where there will be more people seeing, reading, responding and interacting. Having them separate just means less people will see, read or respond to any of the posts in either forum. Future growth results will almost have to be better by not dividing. Simple.

This east vs. west thing going on here, I don't get it. East is different. Cool. I accept that at face value. But, I do have to ask, what is the point of separating the east and west into separate forums? Where they'll just get less views, less replies, less interaction, less members connecting. Really, I don't get it. The east is vastly different, or it isn't, doesn't make any difference to me. Western hunters can learn from eastern hunters and if they don't learn they can just enjoy reading each others posts. But that happens way less, with separate forums?

Somebody, help me understand, why the fact that the east is so different, equals not wanting to participate in the same forum? I honestly just don't understand.

- DAA

 

[crazyyote]

Happy Thanksgiving to all, where ever we hunt. The important thing is to get out and enjoy something we all like, hunting and being outdoors. All the best and good health.