Iranian Uprising

Stu Farish said:
Ultimate sucess would be for the Iranians to take over their govt & have a free country again. Most of them are not moslems & they never chose to have an islamic theocracy run the country. After th 1979 overthrow they held an election & that was NOT was the winners ran on. But once they won & took over they watsed no time implementing it.

Much like the dems have done in VA

That's up to them. They have the chance to do so now & will likely never have a better one

As things stand I see a lot of victory right now. We (us & Israel) have killed off the $1 & #2 levels of their govt, maybe more layers. We've sunk their entire navy. We've eleiminated their air force. We've destroyed most of their launch facilities. We've destroyed much of their manufacturing so they can't readily replace all this stuff.

They've revealed that their missle range is at least double what they had admitted to, which woke up the euroweenies who up until last week thought they were safely out of range & really couldn't be bothered 9if Israel & the other mideast neighbors were at risk. Now almost all of europe is known to be at risk from them should they be left to keep at it.

We still need to take physical possession of any highly enrished uranium they have but I don't think they have anything less to produce more

Keep in mind that Trump has a limited time here. He can only keep our miltary there for so long before he has to have congressional approval to stay longer, so there's that as a practical time limit on this
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So Trump just announced Iran asked for and he’s open to a ceasefire once the Strait is fully reopened. Given it’s April Fools’ Day, you have to wonder if this is real or just noise to move markets. But if there’s a legitimate exit ramp and the Strait is secured, we should take it and call it what it is—a win. We’ve already done serious damage to the regime and effectively dismantled their military capability.
 
spotstalkshoot said:
Word salads and Monday quarterbacking. I agree completely on the CURRENT action. Bomb their military infrastructure until gone. And if the 12 ers want the dark ages, we can make that dream possible.
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I get it—and yeah, part of me enjoys watching mushroom clouds over Tehran too. But that’s the tactical side talking.

If we can keep this contained and avoid it spiraling into both sides hitting power grids and desalination plants, turning the region into a humanitarian collapse, then yeah—this can absolutely be called a success. That kind of escalation is what turns a war into something much bigger than anyone can control.

What I don’t want is this dragging into ground deployments, getting stuck in another forever war, and triggering a broader economic shock. We’re already seeing how sensitive everything is with the Strait—about 20% of global oil runs through there, so it doesn’t take much to ripple into a global crisis.

Hit hard, achieve the objective, secure the Strait, and get out—that’s a win. Anything beyond that starts stacking risks we don’t need.
 
DesertRam said:
That's what worries me. I expressed this in another thread. Here we are spending billions on arms to dump on Iran to what some might argue is negligible effect - see Jeremy's posts above with excellent discussion. We are depleting our stores, likely to the breaking point because we and our allies (if we have any left after Trump gets done pissing all over himself and them) don't have the manufacturing capacity to keep up with our use of arms. We are in an unsustainable war of attrition and will soon reach a point where we have insufficient materiel to defend against larger global threats like China.
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That’s the risk—burning through resources without a clear end state.

Some of it’s older stock and production can ramp, but if this drags on, we’re trading long-term readiness for short-term gains. With China watching, that opens a window for a move on Taiwan if we’re stretched thin.

Without a clear objective, we’re just bleeding capability while bigger threats grow.
 
A little off topic, but I think it matters how we frame this. However it unfolds, I still believe we’re trying to stand on the right side of history—against a force that’s willing to deliberately target civilians, while we at least attempt to operate under rules shaped by restraint and some sense of right and wrong. That doesn’t mean everyone pulling a trigger or pushing a button is guided by the same intent—on either side.

This isn’t just strategy and economics. There’s something deeper driving it—call it ideology, belief, or something spiritual. Some are chasing power, some money, some faith… and some are just lost, mistaking darkness for light.

I don’t think this gets better anytime soon. If anything, it likely gets darker before it breaks. But maybe that’s the point—history tends to move through those valleys. The key is not letting that darkness take root in us along the way.

Because if there is a path back to something better—peace, stability, even a kind of clarity—it’s going to depend on whether we can walk through the worst of it without becoming it.
 
Iraq, Iran and Pakistan are only Arab countries with any real military. The methods of war have changed and our Gov has done a poor job of updating - but remember, it take 4-7 yrs to get new stuff into the Mil., IF the bosses will get together. No real need to 'nuke' them, just bomb the dams above Tehran. But that would anger the Arabs and most all of EU.
 
Infidel 762 said:
A little off topic, but I think it matters how we frame this. However it unfolds, I still believe we’re trying to stand on the right side of history—against a force that’s willing to deliberately target civilians, while we at least attempt to operate under rules shaped by restraint and some sense of right and wrong. That doesn’t mean everyone pulling a trigger or pushing a button is guided by the same intent—on either side.

This isn’t just strategy and economics. There’s something deeper driving it—call it ideology, belief, or something spiritual. Some are chasing power, some money, some faith… and some are just lost, mistaking darkness for light.

I don’t think this gets better anytime soon. If anything, it likely gets darker before it breaks. But maybe that’s the point—history tends to move through those valleys. The key is not letting that darkness take root in us along the way.

Because if there is a path back to something better—peace, stability, even a kind of clarity—it’s going to depend on whether we can walk through the worst of it without becoming it.
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I agree. The coming days and the rest of the year here will be interesting once all this hits us. People dont realize the severity and looming economic impacts. Food packaging and anything plastic related is set to double, projections of 58 million bushels of corn will be lost due to fertilizer shortages. Our cattle herd is the lowest ever. I think we will see many companies fold up, shit semi-trucks get 5-6 MPG do some math on that. Then all the "others" that were let in need to be dealt with.
 
Gas tends to be cheaper here in the SE. taxes play a role. FL is higher than we are but that gap closed a bit when the current gov raised our gas tax right after being elected. After having not run on that, not one word. She's a GOP but that was a damned dem move on her part

MS is cheaper yet & LA about the same as MS or even a bit less
 
Infidel 762 said:
This isn’t just strategy and economics. There’s something deeper driving it—call it ideology, belief, or something spiritual.
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I've been just sitting on the sidelines enjoying the back and forth discussions.

I do so enjoy civility in the exchange of ideas and thoughts.

I don't think anyone whom has read some of my post would not think I would love to pound the existing Persian government into oblivion. While wishing peace on the Persian people.

I honestly think Jeremy hit the core innermost feeling, and thoughts I have on the matter. It is a fight with good and evil.
Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 come to mind, as well as the book of Revelations chapters 20 through 22.


Stu Farish said:
Keep in mind that Trump has a limited time here. He can only keep our miltary there for so long before he has to have congressional approval to stay longer, so there's that as a practical time limit on this
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Stu is correct with this. But even so if we claim Victory and leave it's not over. There is a plan, yet no-one truly knows it nor the hour from which it will occur.
I know I sound Bible thumping yet I do believe all that will take place.
So with that, I leave you with Revelations Chapter 22 verse 21. "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
 
“I did you, my dear friends the honor of shitting all over your floor. I could clean it up, I have the best cleaning supplies the world has ever seen. However it isn’t my floor. So you better clean it up yourself.” 🤪

Those bedroom eyes;

 
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