Iranian Uprising

Sprinkman said:
The problem with your idea of pulling lines out is that islam teaches that all of the quarn is stand alone meaning each verse has it's own context. It means what it says. Islam is an ideology of submission or death.
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But there are over a billion Muslims worldwide, including millions in the U.S., and the overwhelming majority aren’t out there committing violence. So what explains that? Are they all practicing a different religion, or just choosing to be disobedient?

The Qur'an literally says “no compulsion in religion” and that “killing one innocent person is like killing all humanity.” So which part represents the whole religion?
 
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Saylor said:
The Russians use Islamists as part of their grand strategy, ie, their sole purpose- to win their war against the West.
Iranian Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was KGB trained, educated at Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow. Same goes for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who speaks fluent Russian as a result of his KGB training at the same KGB training location. Former KGB officers and intel analysts have said that longtime chairman of the PLO Yasser Arafat was a Soviet agent. The fingerprints of the Russians are all over the Muslim Brotherhood and its spin offs , ie Al-Qaeda, ISIS. The Russians are experts at all acts of terrorism and are the originators and “teachers” to these Muslim fundamentalists of terrorism for the past 75+ years.
Our so called “leaders” ie our Presidents for decades have no knowledge of who the enemy truly is. Reagan gets the credit for ending communism in Russia but that was a ruse. The Cold War never ended. Treaty after treaty with Russia to decrease stockpiles of nuclear weapons and military capabilities. We have slowly decreased our military and our own nuclear arsenal as a result of a foolish notion we can now “trust” the Russian Communists.
The U.S. plays the role of moral, righteous authority and holds to these ridiculous “agreements” while our enemy (Russia) uses these worthless pieces of paper to continue to build up their own arsenals to destroy us, the American people. Again, ever since Reagan and now are working together with China! While America sleeps….
Deception, via our real enemy, Russia, of our own so called leaders, political know-it -alls, continues that Islam is now the enemy. As if we have nothing to fear from Russia.
America is being destroyed from within by infiltration of the Communists as well as the true ignorance of who the enemy truly is, courtesy our so called leadership, political representatives who haven’t a clue of what’s transpired, ie, the Republican Party. It’s already known that the Democrat Party was taken over by the Commies back 40 years ago, the mid 80’s…and now the Republicans are being infiltrated. We have a VP who loves Curtis Yarvin, quotes him often..Curtis Yarvin, aka
Mencius Moldbug, who is a disciple of Aleksandr Dugan who is a known pro Russian propagandist of the Russian dictator Vladimir Putin himself. VP aside, the current POTUS believes that he knows Putin “as a friend” and that Putin “likes him” and will listen to him when he negotiates peace with Ukraine. Campaign promise was a peace deal in a matter of days???? Mmmm, 2 years now into his current Presidency and it’s obvious that Putin doesn’t give a damn what Trump says…Trump has shown he’s been deceived himself and “is being played” by the current Russian dictator in terms of the Russian invasion into Ukraine in 2022. And Russia is poised to attack the Baltic States soon…as well as the mobilization going on with China. Our idiots in DC have no clue about how to keep ordinary people here in the USA safe from our enemies. They only care about deals with our adversaries to get richer and pad their own fortunes.
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Russia has definitely used influence operations and proxy strategies, but the idea that it created or controls Islamist movements like the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, or ISIS doesn’t match the historical record. These groups emerged from their own regional, political, and religious conditions, not as Russian projects.

In fact, Russia (and the USSR before it) spent decades fighting Islamist insurgencies—like in Afghanistan during the Soviet–Afghan War and in Chechnya during the 1990s and 2000s. That alone makes the “they built it all” narrative hard to sustain.

The more accurate picture is messy: states exploit conflicts where they can, but extremist movements generally arise independently and then get used, opposed, or contained by different powers depending on the situation.
 
Infidel 762 said:
But there are over a billion Muslims worldwide, including millions in the U.S., and the overwhelming majority aren’t out there committing violence. So what explains that? Are they all practicing a different religion, or just choosing to be disobedient?

The Qur'an literally says “no compulsion in religion” and that “killing one innocent person is like killing all humanity.” So which part represents the whole religion?
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When the World Trade Towers were destroyed by terrorist, how many of those peace loving muslims condemned those attacks? How many of them condemn the 10's of thousands of muslim terrorist acts committed worldwide since then?
Not many, mostly crickets.
 
As a sidenote from the wayback machine:

The left manufactures the problem and then the neocons use it to pretend they're providing the solution which is always more war and conflict.

This is a uniparty working together to keep us engaged in wars and conflicts for their own personal benefits, influences and gains.

Problem-Reaction-Solution. AKA the Hegelian Dialectic.





ETA: Have any of these people actually solved anything or do they keep manufacturing more problems at the expense of taxpayers...are they creating a more perfect union or are they ripping off America blind while consistently crafting and voting for more legislation designed to take more of our freedoms and money, bought off and paid for by foreign interests and special interests.


 
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Sprinkman said:
When the World Trade Towers were destroyed by terrorist, how many of those peace loving muslims condemned those attacks? How many of them condemn the 10's of thousands of muslim terrorist acts committed worldwide since then?
Not many, mostly crickets.
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Sprinkman said:
When the World Trade Towers were destroyed by terrorist, how many of those peace loving muslims condemned those attacks? How many of them condemn the 10's of thousands of muslim terrorist acts committed worldwide since then?
Not many, mostly crickets.
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After 9/11, Muslims around the world did condemn it—governments, religious leaders, regular people, the whole lot. The idea that it was “mostly crickets” is more about what gets amplified than what actually happened.

And on the bigger claim about “tens of thousands of Muslim terrorist acts,” that’s mixing a lot of different conflicts, politics, and definitions together. Most victims of extremist violence in Muslim-majority countries are actually Muslims themselves, and plenty of them speak out against it constantly—it just doesn’t trend in Western feeds.

So yeah, the picture being painted is way more selective than the reality on the ground.

And I’ll be straight—I’m not pro-Islam or trying to defend it here. I’m just saying I think we’re getting fed a very curated narrative, and it’s easy to buy into it if you only ever see one side of the story repeated over and over.
 
Right after 9/11, Muslim governments like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and Indonesia all publicly condemned it, along with the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation calling it terrorism, not religion. Mosques and Muslim communities in the West also held vigils and worked with law enforcement.

And in the wars after, it wasn’t some “Muslims vs West” split either—Muslim-led forces were doing a lot of the fighting against extremists too: the Iraqi Army, Kurdish Peshmerga, Afghan National Army, and regional allies like Jordan and Turkey all took on ISIS and the Taliban directly.

So no, it wasn’t silence—it was just a lot of voices and actions that don’t fit the simple narrative people like to repeat.
 
“At no stage of the ongoing or previous negotiations has the issue of transferring Iran’s enriched uranium stockpiles to the United States or any other country been raised, and fundamentally, this option is not on the agenda of the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

That’s not a paraphrase—that’s Iran’s official position.

Now compare that to what Trump has been saying:

April 8, 2026:
“The United States will… working with Iran, dig up and remove all of the deeply buried… Nuclear ‘Dust.’”

April 16, 2026 (~afternoon):
“They’ve agreed to give us back the nuclear dust…”

April 16, 2026 (same day):
Iran has “agreed to hand over ‘nuclear dust.’”

April 17, 2026:
"The U.S. will work with Iran to recover and take the uranium."

So which is it?

Iran says it was never discussed, never agreed to, and isn’t even on the table.

Trump says it’s already agreed to, and we’re literally going to go dig it up with them.

That’s not spin. That’s not interpretation.

That’s two opposite realities. At some point, you either follow the facts or you follow the story you want to believe. When those two are this far apart, choosing the story isn’t loyalty—it’s willful blindness.
 
Infidel 762 said:
After 9/11, Muslims around the world did condemn it—governments, religious leaders, regular people, the whole lot. The idea that it was “mostly crickets” is more about what gets amplified than what actually happened.

And on the bigger claim about “tens of thousands of Muslim terrorist acts,” that’s mixing a lot of different conflicts, politics, and definitions together. Most victims of extremist violence in Muslim-majority countries are actually Muslims themselves, and plenty of them speak out against it constantly—it just doesn’t trend in Western feeds.

So yeah, the picture being painted is way more selective than the reality on the ground.

And I’ll be straight—I’m not pro-Islam or trying to defend it here. I’m just saying I think we’re getting fed a very curated narrative, and it’s easy to buy into it if you only ever see one side of the story repeated over and over.
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It’s honestly sad that the last time this country felt truly united was after 9/11. Not just here—most of the world stood with us. People everywhere recognized it for what it was: evil, the murder of innocent civilians, an attack at the heart of a nation.

Yeah, some radicals celebrated it—but they were the exception, not the rule. The overwhelming majority of people around the world condemned it.

And now? I’m sick of the division. Sick of the politicians and the media constantly feeding us their version of reality just to keep us at each other’s throats. Sick of the lies, the spin, and the endless “us vs. them” narrative. In reality, you probably have more in common with the people on the receiving end of bombs than with the politicians who make the calls.

The real question is… how did we go from that kind of unity and shared understanding to where we are now?
 
Unfortunately, we can believe nothing that is spewed by the media today. In years past, the foundational standard taught in all journalism classes was: Who, what, where and when, the reporter never to even hint as to his/her opinion (why)!

This combined with the fact that there is quite obviously a fracture between (at least) two factions in Iran, just as there is, unfortunately, in this nation. Tragically, this standard has been totally abandoned, resulting, as has been pointed out, each venue spouts it's own beliefs.

I'm sure that this weighs heavily on the differences between the reports attributed to both sides. One thing I am sure of is that the truth is probably somewhere in between.
 
Infidel 762 said:
And now? I’m sick of the division. Sick of the politicians and the media constantly feeding us their version of reality just to keep us at each other’s throats. Sick of the lies, the spin, and the endless “us vs. them” narrative. In reality, you probably have more in common with the people on the receiving end of bombs than with the politicians who make the calls.

The real question is… how did we go from that kind of unity and shared understanding to where we are now?
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hm1996 said:
Unfortunately, we can believe nothing that is spewed by the media today. In years past, the foundational standard taught in all journalism classes was: Who, what, where and when, the reporter never to even hint as to his/her opinion (why)!

This combined with the fact that there is quite obviously a fracture between (at least) two factions in Iran, just as there is, unfortunately, in this nation. Tragically, this standard has been totally abandoned, resulting, as has been pointed out, each venue spouts it's own beliefs.

I'm sure that this weighs heavily on the differences between the reports attributed to both sides. One thing I am sure of is that the truth is probably somewhere in between.
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Exactly, and in the middle of all that noise, one thing still tends to hold up: the truth usually isn’t at either extreme—it’s "somewhere in between". It’s exhausting when everything feels filtered, and it becomes harder and harder to know what’s real, what’s spin, and what’s just noise. It’s just a cycle and repeat, and the masses are being driven blindly.
 
Obviously, I do not have the advantage that you and Mike have, having never been in that part of the world, so it is much more difficult to sort it all out from where I sit.
I can only imagine what is going on behind the scenes in Iran. Based on what I'm seeing from my 14th floor perch:(, I can't help but wonder
if Major General Mohammad Pakpour might be sitting in the wheel house rather than taking orders from above.
 
After weeks of Operation Epic Fury, and the Left doing its best to undermine the U.S. effort to disarm Iran of nuclear weapons, 60 Minutes just made an amazing admission. They reported that Iran had, in fact, enriched enough uranium to make ten nuclear bombs.

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Stu Farish said:
After weeks of Operation Epic Fury, and the Left doing its best to undermine the U.S. effort to disarm Iran of nuclear weapons, 60 Minutes just made an amazing admission. They reported that Iran had, in fact, enriched enough uranium to make ten nuclear bombs.

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60 Minutes didn’t really drop a bombshell—they were pointing back to what the IAEA has documented for years. It’s not new information. Iran hasn’t denied having enriched uranium; the dispute is more about what was actually claimed versus what was actually agreed to, especially in relation to what Trump repeatedly claims they agreed to.

And honestly, it feels like the same cycle on repeat—old public info gets repackaged as “breaking news,” then framed to fit whatever narrative is in play.

That’s where it gets frustrating. When a place calling itself “the church of painful truth” only highlights one angle, it stops feeling like the full picture and starts to feel more like an echo chamber with a better name.

At the end of the day, most people are just trying to cut through the noise and figure out what’s actually real.
 
Well I will admit trump is a loud mouth and obnoxious ass. But where would be if we elected the hoe, really that would put the good ole USA in a bind. And do we really believe, and even 60 minutes even said Iran had the uranium that Iran wouldn’t use it. So what was the choice. Now I will agree you can’t believe anyone anymore for sure the liberal news stations. But I still think trump wanted to get control of most of the worlds oil to control the Chinese from taking Taiwan. So another thought our worse enemy is our national debt.
 
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