Shotgun vs. rimfire vs. magnum rimfire vs. pistol caliber vs. 300BO

Which should I purchase next?

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shaman

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I am trying to decide on a next purchase for close range (closer than 50 yards) hunting of varmints up to coyote or racoon on public land. It will be suppressed aside from the shotgun.

My first thought is a 9mm or 45ACP carbine as they will expand at subsonic ranges, where the 300BO doesn’t in widely available loads. Likely to purchase a CMMG Banshee upper.

I have a .22LR, but don’t think the power is there. I have 17hm2 ammo but nothing to shoot it in, and don’t think the power difference will matter much on larger predators.

17HMR or WSM, and 22WMR will be louder than subsonic pistol caliber, but have a greater range.

Shotgun would do the job with the right loads, but be much louder.

Which should I purchase next?
 
shaman said:
I am trying to decide on a next purchase for close range (closer than 50 yards) hunting of varmints up to coyote or racoon on public land. It will be suppressed aside from the shotgun.

My first thought is a 9mm or 45ACP carbine as they will expand at subsonic ranges, where the 300BO doesn’t in widely available loads. Likely to purchase a CMMG Banshee upper.

I have a .22LR, but don’t think the power is there. I have 17hm2 ammo but nothing to shoot it in, and don’t think the power difference will matter much on larger predators.

17HMR or WSM, and 22WMR will be louder than subsonic pistol caliber, but have a greater range.

Shotgun would do the job with the right loads, but be much louder.

Which should I purchase next?
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If I purchase too many at the same time I will be added to ANOTHER list.
 
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@ 150 yds with 110 vmax from BO carbine. 150gr G.D. for BO will expand @ 1400 fps. I've shot 145gr cast with Red Dot, just a pop and almost no recoil, IIRC about 1400 fps. Several dillos, couple hogs and possums too. I don't do subs (no can) but can use much heavier bullets, 185gr heaviest I've used. Really close range I just use the XDm in 40SW, 165 gr on a hog (& dillos).
 
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If you already have a 223, down loading it with Bluedot loads might be the answer.

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My personal choice would be a combo gun in 222 Rem/12ga.
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I have a 22 mag that I bought for quiet work unsuppressed( before suppressor s became readily available). I like it, 40gr JHPs.

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I've never dealt with handgun cartridges at rifle ranges.

I own a suppressor and have spent some time at the range with it I still do not see it as a game changer in the field. Still working on that.
 
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AWS said:
If you already have a 223, down loading it with Bluedot loads might be the answer.

My personal choice would be a combo gun in 222 Rem/12ga.

I have a 22 mag that I bought for quiet work unsuppressed( before suppressor s became readily available). I like it, 40gr JHPs.

I've never dealt with handgun cartridges at rifle ranges.

I own a suppressor and have spent some time at the range with it I still do not see it as a game changer in the field. Still working on that.
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I have a .223 but no reloading.

The suppressor should help when shooting heavier projectiles from the 9, 45 and 300.
 
It was a toss up between 17hmr and wsm. I went with wsm b/c it's a bada$$ lil round and hammers critters very well. The hmr for cheaper and more availabilty on ammo. It too is very effective. With a can both are very nice.
 
Brother, yours already on THAT list. You just don't know it.

I say PCC. My 45 can gets used on 380,9mm,45 acp, 10mm, 38/357, 300bo subs, and 450bm.

Edit: Here is the small print.
With pistol caliber suppressors, it will mean buying threaded barrels for every semi-auto handgun you wish to use it on, which can be very expensive. The barrel for my s&w 1911 was around $400 and the barrel for my Stacatto was around $700. Glock barrels are cheap. For every caliber you choose to use it on will have a different thread pattern. That means buying separate boosters to fit each thread pattern if you wish to use it on multiple pistol hosts. Fixed barrel guns like revolvers, pcc, rifles, etc. dont require a booster but you will need a fixed spacer (universal,only need 1) to replace the spring on the correct threaded booster for your application or you will need to buy the correct threaded fixed mount end cap for your application.
In my case, i have 1 fixed spacer, 380/9 booster, 40cal/10mm booster, 45 cal booster, a fixed end cap for my 450bm and a fixed end cap for my 38/357 lever gun. For my can manufacture, these run about $80 + or - each.

Just to let you know what you may be getting into.
 
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crapshoot said:
Brother, yours already on THAT list. You just don't know it.

I say PCC. My 45 can gets used on 380,9mm,45 acp, 10mm, 38/357, 300bo subs, and 450bm.

Edit: Here is the small print.
With pistol caliber suppressors, it will mean buying threaded barrels for every semi-auto handgun you wish to use it on, which can be very expensive. The barrel for my s&w 1911 was around $400 and the barrel for my Stacatto was around $700. Glock barrels are cheap. For every caliber you choose to use it on will have a different thread pattern. That means buying separate boosters to fit each thread pattern if you wish to use it on multiple pistol hosts. Fixed barrel guns like revolvers, pcc, rifles, etc. dont require a booster but you will need a fixed spacer (universal,only need 1) to replace the spring on the correct threaded booster for your application or you will need to buy the correct threaded fixed mount end cap for your application.
In my case, i have 1 fixed spacer, 380/9 booster, 40cal/10mm booster, 45 cal booster, a fixed end cap for my 450bm and a fixed end cap for my 38/357 lever gun. For my can manufacture, these run about $80 + or - each.

Just to let you know what you may be getting into.
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PCC (CMMG Banshee) is currently at the top of the list. I haven't settled on 9 or 45, but likely 9mm upper with CMMG AR conversion mags. My current 9 doesn't have a threaded barrel available that I can find.
 
shaman said:
If I purchase too many at the same time I will be added to ANOTHER list.
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for what its worth, my handler at the NSA just laughed when i asked him about you being on a list.

he said, "what list" ! we both chuckled.

we dont talk on the phone, he just pops up in the corner of my screen and asks hows it going. sorta like one of those chat windows. he does it on my phone too. the dude is creepy but cool
 
Personally have a SBR in 9mm original colt format, not glock mags. Coupled with a YHM Wraith 45 XL works well (yes it's a SMG can). I have tried the .300 BO, quickly discarded it (too easy to mix ammo with the 5.56's is the only reason). Rimfire yep keep them on hand for keeping cost down . Never underestimate the lethality of a shotgun within it's range regardless of gauge.

Your listed calibers can all be suppressed easily.
It honestly boils down to what amount of $$$ you want to spend. IMHO there isn't a correct answer.

In the 9mm SBR or even if one desires to use the term PCC, that I use for house varmint control (two legged coyote). Subsonic ammo it's effective, could other calibers or gauges be used?? Sure , but all will have trade off's there isn't a free lunch. I leaned toward the 9mm mostly because of ammo being available pretty much anywhere. Same can be said of the lowly 22's, and shotgun shells. I've had folks really dig into why I chose the colt / UZI mag format. Thinking there was a secret reason dealing with reliability or something. Truth is it's preference. nothing more nothing less. I like the straight insertion of the UZI/ Colt mag vs the glock style mags.

Both work and work well. If there was a actual "good" working copy that used say Thompson stick mags I'd probably have one in .45 ACP. I personally just don't care for the Glock mag angle, many will say they have no issue which is fine. Simple fact is I do so the answer is no for the glock mags for me. It is a preference. Everyone will have a preference pick your and go with it. If your set on simply covering all the bases... well buy everything on the list and you should be good to go.
 
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Personally have a SBR in 9mm original colt format, not glock mags. Coupled with a YHM Wraith 45 XL works well (yes it's a SMG can). I have tried the .300 BO, quickly discarded it (too easy to mix ammo with the 5.56's is the only reason). Rimfire yep keep them on hand for keeping cost down . Never underestimate the lethality of a shotgun within it's range regardless of gauge.
Looking at the Stribog or similar with their own proprietary mags as a pistol. It will get a .36 or .46 can.
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Your listed calibers can all be suppressed easily.
It honestly boils down to what amount of $$$ you want to spend. IMHO there isn't a correct answer.

In the 9mm SBR or even if one desires to use the term PCC, that I use for house varmint control (two legged coyote). Subsonic ammo it's effective, could other calibers or gauges be used?? Sure , but all will have trade off's there isn't a free lunch. I leaned toward the 9mm mostly because of ammo being available pretty much anywhere. Same can be said of the lowly 22's, and shotgun shells. I've had folks really dig into why I chose the colt / UZI mag format. Thinking there was a secret reason dealing with reliability or something. Truth is it's preference. nothing more nothing less. I like the straight insertion of the UZI/ Colt mag vs the glock style mags.
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In PCCs, the Glock insertion angle and location make the pistol grip to magazine space a little cramped. Even for smaller hands.
Sgt_Mike said:
Both work and work well. If there was a actual "good" working copy that used say Thompson stick mags I'd probably have one in .45 ACP. I personally just don't care for the Glock mag angle, many will say they have no issue which is fine. Simple fact is I do so the answer is no for the glock mags for me. It is a preference. Everyone will have a preference pick your and go with it. If your set on simply covering all the bases... well buy everything on the list and you should be good to go.
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The Stribog in 45 uses forward leaning but straight H&K UMP magazines. Part of me wants a 45 more than a 9mm, but..

Strangely I see articles about 9mm for deer being not a bad idea and 45 not being good, despite more energy in a 45.
 
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