RCBS Summit Press

I have this press and just receintly worked out that I am getting inconsistant sizing. There seems to be a fair amount of slop in this and was wondering if anyone else has noticed any issues with theirs and sizing.
The slop is enough that the AR-15 loads will not work. 223 or 6ARC.
 
Figure out which parts are worn and causing the problem and contact rcbs. Bet they will take care of it without much hassle and more than likely free of charge.
Thank you. Great answer. I am doing exactly that right now. They asked for more pics after the first set I sent over. I was just wondering how common this is.
 
Instead of relying on die adjustment I use competition shell holders and run the die right to the shell holder, steel to steel. I log the shell holder to the rifle data and can change presses and never have to adjust the die, as long as the die hits the shell holder the headspace is correct.
 
I think this has all been covered by the other guys already. But just to kind of lay it out in order.

There may be a problem with your press. I'm not going to discount that as a possibility. But it's probably the least likely possibility.

If, you are getting a hard cam over, shell holder against the bottom of the sizing die on every case, and getting head space variation - it's not your press. I believe the Summit is a C press? Nothing really wrong with a C press, but they aren't as strong as an O press like a Rockchucker. And by strong I don't mean leverage. I mean resistant to "springing". Or deformation or "opening up" of the press frame under heavy load. If you are getting hard cam over, shell holder against bottom of the die, steel against steel as Erich put it, that springing doesn't make any real difference. Even if the press frame "opens up" a bit under heavy pressure, the final sizing parameters are set in stone by that steel against steel cam over.

You mentioned slop. Hard cam over takes all the slop out completely.

So, if, you are getting hard cam over, steel against steel. Your head space variation is either a variability in the hardness of your brass, or a variability in how well lubed each case is. That simple. One of the two. Or, I guess it could even be a combination of the two.

But, if, you have some space between your shell holder and the bottom of the die at the top of the stroke - which in many bolt rifle applications is not uncommon. Then, press "springing", or opening up under heavy pressure could be at play. And that is a real thing even with O frame presses but much more so with C frame presses. But, it would still be related to brass hardness variability or lube variability. If all the brass is of equal hardness and equally lubed, that springing will be consistent from case to case and again, won't make any difference. At the same time, getting the shell holder camming over hard against the bottom of the die removes the springing variable altogether.

So, if you aren't hard camming, steel against steel already - I would. As Erich pointed out, if that is a problem for headspace, Redding Competition shell holders are the easy button answer to that. They allow longer headspace in .002 increments while still maintaining steel against steel rock solid consistency of brass depth into the sizing die.

If you are hard camming already, brass hardness variation - anneal. Or lube inconsistency, change up your case lube protocol. Possibly a combination of both.

Or, there might actually be a problem with your press. It's the least likely, but possible.

- DAA
 
Oh, another possibility I forgot. And I think this has already been mentioned too. I haven't used a sizing die with an expander ball for thirty years so I tend to forget they even exist. But if you are feeling a lot of drag on the expander and especially if it doesn't feel consistent, that could be the culprit too. Dry lube on the inside of the case necks and a emery cloth polish of the expander should solve it. In extreme situations of neck wall thickness, it might still be a small issue.

- DAA
 
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