16, 18 or 20 inch barrel
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steve garrett
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I shouldn't have said anything. Everyone else places perfect shots. Yeah yeah whatever. Try shooting with a 243 and report back.
SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: steve garrettI shouldn't have said anything. Everyone else places perfect shots. Yeah yeah whatever. Try shooting with a 243 and report back.
make a crappy hit with a 243 and report back. yeah yeah whatever.
make a crappy hit with a 243 and report back. yeah yeah whatever.
Originally Posted By: steve garrettI have been using a 20" ar for the last 2 calling seasons. I have concluded that the 223 is just flat out not that impressive of a coyote killer. I have to do far too many finishing shots. next someone will chime in and say shot placement this or that, yeah whatever. go shoot something for once and get back to me. my coyotes don't always just stand there at 100 yards full broadside. with that said the 223 needs all the help it can get and a 20" barrel is pretty much mandatory. I would also suggest working up loads that have as much steam behind them as you can get. There are some more anemic loads out there in factory loadings.
I would suggest an upper that uses a 20" criterion hybrid, lilja ar 740 or black hole LTR profile barrel. This IMO makes the perfect coyote calling upper. its not a pencil barrel but does have enough weight in it that your going to get the accuracy you need. at the same time you end up with a very handy package still. What bullet or bullets are you shooting? Worried about the fur a little to much?
I would suggest an upper that uses a 20" criterion hybrid, lilja ar 740 or black hole LTR profile barrel. This IMO makes the perfect coyote calling upper. its not a pencil barrel but does have enough weight in it that your going to get the accuracy you need. at the same time you end up with a very handy package still. What bullet or bullets are you shooting? Worried about the fur a little to much?
Honestly i have a hard time finding any one putting any moa guarantees on anything shorter than 20 " why ? I would think any below 20 would be hard to get 1/2 inch or better groups is why.....I also find really hot 40 to 52 grain Ballistic tips work well on killing yotes
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Originally Posted By: Goe BlowHonestly i have a hard time finding any one putting any moa guarantees on anything shorter than 20 " why ? I would think any below 20 would be hard to get 1/2 inch or better groups is why.....I also find really hot 40 to 52 grain Ballistic tips work well on killing yotes
I don't own an AR longer than 18" and they will all shoot that good.
I don't own an AR longer than 18" and they will all shoot that good.
Originally Posted By: bryan hNo I built them but I have a Daniel defense that will shoot 5/8" groups just use a good barrel and good trigger.
I have an old Eagle Arms (Now armilite) action master 20 " that will do under 1/2 @100 all day long infact its best all time group was a little less than 5/8 @ 200 yrds will it do that all day long NOPE OH i only shoot 5 shot groups
I have an old Eagle Arms (Now armilite) action master 20 " that will do under 1/2 @100 all day long infact its best all time group was a little less than 5/8 @ 200 yrds will it do that all day long NOPE OH i only shoot 5 shot groups
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I won the PM Predator Technology Group AR rifle w/ 16" barrel that they donated last year. It shoots 1/2 moa with several powders and bullet weights. Thanks for donating that rifle to PM, PTG.
Having been wanting a .204 in AR configuration, I ordered an .204 upper from them. I did the unthinkable to many. I ordered an 18 " barrel. It shoots 1/2" with several loads. 35 gr Berger and 40 grain Vmax. I'm happy. Neither will let me down and at 72, I want a light rifle.
The last 16 coyotes I killed, the only two that had a problem hitting the ground immediately were two that were shot with 50 grain Vmax. The rest were DRT with 60 grain Vmax.
Bullets matter.
Having been wanting a .204 in AR configuration, I ordered an .204 upper from them. I did the unthinkable to many. I ordered an 18 " barrel. It shoots 1/2" with several loads. 35 gr Berger and 40 grain Vmax. I'm happy. Neither will let me down and at 72, I want a light rifle.
The last 16 coyotes I killed, the only two that had a problem hitting the ground immediately were two that were shot with 50 grain Vmax. The rest were DRT with 60 grain Vmax.
Bullets matter.
Originally Posted By: Pack_WolfI won the PM Predator Technology Group AR rifle w/ 16" barrel that they donated last year. It shoots 1/2 moa with several powders and bullet weights. Thanks for donating that rifle to PM, PTG.
Having been wanting a .204 in AR configuration, I ordered an .204 upper from them. I did the unthinkable to many. I ordered an 18 " barrel. It shoots 1/2" with several loads. 35 gr Berger and 40 grain Vmax. I'm happy. Neither will let me down and at 72, I want a light rifle.
The last 16 coyotes I killed, the only two that had a problem hitting the ground immediately were two that were shot with 50 grain Vmax. The rest were DRT with 60 grain Vmax.
Bullets matter.
Couldn't agree more 16" or 18" what I like to all of mine shoot great.
Having been wanting a .204 in AR configuration, I ordered an .204 upper from them. I did the unthinkable to many. I ordered an 18 " barrel. It shoots 1/2" with several loads. 35 gr Berger and 40 grain Vmax. I'm happy. Neither will let me down and at 72, I want a light rifle.
The last 16 coyotes I killed, the only two that had a problem hitting the ground immediately were two that were shot with 50 grain Vmax. The rest were DRT with 60 grain Vmax.
Bullets matter.
Couldn't agree more 16" or 18" what I like to all of mine shoot great.
Coyotehunter_
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Then he may want to go with a longer heavier barrel if he wants to shoot bench rest only.
I was just saying what I did. He can read all the various posts and then do more research if he likes and buy what he wants.
I'm not telling anyone what to buy just giving suggestions as to what I did for myself. Everyone is different and has various purposed for getting a gun or rifle.
Have a great day guys. It's all good and fun when it comes to shooting.
I was just saying what I did. He can read all the various posts and then do more research if he likes and buy what he wants.
I'm not telling anyone what to buy just giving suggestions as to what I did for myself. Everyone is different and has various purposed for getting a gun or rifle.
Have a great day guys. It's all good and fun when it comes to shooting.
Originally Posted By: Goe BlowI do have a 1-8 twist 16" coming in it will be interesting to see what it will do. But still the fact remains i see no one guaranteeing 1/2 moa in anything shorter than 20"... bye the way i own 8-16 inch ARs one 20" and one 24"
Not true for one take a look at Rainer arms they give you the guarantee you say no one offers on a 16" barrel for just one company but no Matter what the guarantee is if the guy behind the gun can't shoot it than what good is it?
Not true for one take a look at Rainer arms they give you the guarantee you say no one offers on a 16" barrel for just one company but no Matter what the guarantee is if the guy behind the gun can't shoot it than what good is it?
Originally Posted By: bryan hOriginally Posted By: Goe BlowI do have a 1-8 twist 16" coming in it will be interesting to see what it will do. But still the fact remains i see no one guaranteeing 1/2 moa in anything shorter than 20"... bye the way i own 8-16 inch ARs one 20" and one 24"
Not true for one take a look at Rainer arms they give you the guarantee you say no one offers on a 16" barrel for just one company but no Matter what the guarantee is if the guy behind the gun can't shoot it than what good is it? They guarantee sub moa thats not a 1/2" guarantee !
Not true for one take a look at Rainer arms they give you the guarantee you say no one offers on a 16" barrel for just one company but no Matter what the guarantee is if the guy behind the gun can't shoot it than what good is it? They guarantee sub moa thats not a 1/2" guarantee !
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DiRTY DOG
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Very few (or zero) manufacturers offer a 1/2" garantee in ANY barrel length. Step up to a custom builder if that's what you want. Folks who want that kind of accuracy generally also want longer barrels for increased velocity.
In addition, most 16" and shorter barrels are chambered in 556 instead of the more accurate 223 and 223 Wylde chambers. AND most 556 barrels are chrome plated which does not help accuracy.
So 16" and shorter barrels made are generally not designed for 1/2" accuracy. That doesn't mean the length of the barrel has anything to do with it. It's the construction and materials of the barrel that make them less accurate.
But sub-MOA garantees are dime-a-dozen. RRA has a 3/4" garantee on 16" several models, for example.
In addition, most 16" and shorter barrels are chambered in 556 instead of the more accurate 223 and 223 Wylde chambers. AND most 556 barrels are chrome plated which does not help accuracy.
So 16" and shorter barrels made are generally not designed for 1/2" accuracy. That doesn't mean the length of the barrel has anything to do with it. It's the construction and materials of the barrel that make them less accurate.
But sub-MOA garantees are dime-a-dozen. RRA has a 3/4" garantee on 16" several models, for example.