midogman, I have a 17 fireball and have lost coyotes with it, its a great gun for fox, bobcat, good for yotes at close ranges. Its a 100 yard and less gun for yotes. since they are discontinued the only place that you might find a new one is gunbroker or gunsamerica and it prolly wont be a vtr model. I would also look at the new 17 hornet I have one in a savage model 25 and am starting to like it more than my fireball.