.17 Mach 2
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DmDuck
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Great Great Great accuracy too , shot alot of coon with the MII this past season , it got to the point we were taking bets on which eyeball we'd shoot out on the next tree .
Bonus for us too was no pass through, better on the pelts and better since we were close to homes and barns during alot of our excursions !!
This round really knocked the coon out of the tree, no pelt damage like with a 22 mag and no hang ups like a 22 hollowpoint .
My personal favorite was the eyeball shots though ... then again that has started to cut into my money making abilities on the rifle range now, none of my buddies want to place bets anymore after seeing that 18 of 20 shots in 1 night .
Bonus for us too was no pass through, better on the pelts and better since we were close to homes and barns during alot of our excursions !!
This round really knocked the coon out of the tree, no pelt damage like with a 22 mag and no hang ups like a 22 hollowpoint .
My personal favorite was the eyeball shots though ... then again that has started to cut into my money making abilities on the rifle range now, none of my buddies want to place bets anymore after seeing that 18 of 20 shots in 1 night .
denjahn
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I find it hard to believe that you could tell an accuracy difference between a 22lr and a 17mII in such a close distance as shooting a coon in a tree. To me that would be more of a factor of you are a better shot than the rest of the group, which would be a pretty good place to be lol. Any 22lr in good repair should be able to give that kind of accuracy at those ranges if put in equally talented hands wouldn't you think?
Jack Roberts
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It looks like it will be history very soon. There is just no interest in it.
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wrongtarget
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Here's a great intro to the 17M2...
http://www.chuckhawks.com/17_M2.htm
FYI, the 17M2 is based on the .22 stinger case which is .1" longer than a standard 22Lr case.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/17_M2.htm
FYI, the 17M2 is based on the .22 stinger case which is .1" longer than a standard 22Lr case.
SamSpade
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I have built two of them, one on a 597 and one on a 10/22. They are the perfect squirrel rifle. Both were deadly accurate shooting one ragged hole at 25 and 50 yds. At 100 yds the groups opened up to about 1". I said were because I gave them to my grandsons because the 17 HMR fits my needs better. The only thing bad about the 17m2 is the cost of ammo at $5.00 a box. But for hunting and target shooting performance it is superior to the 22LR.
SamSpade
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But for hunting and target shooting performance it is superior to the 22LR.
Wow! That's quite a vote of confidence and a strong statement.
I suppose that is a little strong. I sure wouldn't want to send a kid out with a 17m2, I would go broke buying the ammo. For many years I wanted to find a 22LR that could shoot consitent 1/2" groups at 50 yds and the only gun that could do it was a custom 10/22. Then for all practical purpose the 22LR just doesn't do it at 100 yds. Now in the 17m2 you have a rimfire that is capable of those small groups all the way out to 100. A 17hmr can do that but it is pretty destructive on eatible game.
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But for hunting and target shooting performance it is superior to the 22LR.
Wow! That's quite a vote of confidence and a strong statement.
I suppose that is a little strong. I sure wouldn't want to send a kid out with a 17m2, I would go broke buying the ammo. For many years I wanted to find a 22LR that could shoot consitent 1/2" groups at 50 yds and the only gun that could do it was a custom 10/22. Then for all practical purpose the 22LR just doesn't do it at 100 yds. Now in the 17m2 you have a rimfire that is capable of those small groups all the way out to 100. A 17hmr can do that but it is pretty destructive on eatible game.
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I have built two of them, one on a 597 and one on a 10/22. They are the perfect squirrel rifle. Both were deadly accurate shooting one ragged hole at 25 and 50 yds. At 100 yds the groups opened up to about 1". I said were because I gave them to my grandsons because the 17 HMR fits my needs better. The only thing bad about the 17m2 is the cost of ammo at $5.00 a box. But for hunting and target shooting performance it is superior to the 22LR.
5 dollars a box! we are paying three times that in England, no wonder it isnt catching on!
I have built two of them, one on a 597 and one on a 10/22. They are the perfect squirrel rifle. Both were deadly accurate shooting one ragged hole at 25 and 50 yds. At 100 yds the groups opened up to about 1". I said were because I gave them to my grandsons because the 17 HMR fits my needs better. The only thing bad about the 17m2 is the cost of ammo at $5.00 a box. But for hunting and target shooting performance it is superior to the 22LR.
5 dollars a box! we are paying three times that in England, no wonder it isnt catching on!
SuperSeal110
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I just got back with a buddy. I decided to bring out my M2 since I still had about 9 boxes of ammo and I only have a couple rounds for my HMR. I think the M2 is a pretty sweet cal. We prolly shot 30-40 birds today from about 10-80 yards. Seeing them explode is awesome. Mine shoots 1/2 or better @ 50 yards using CCI. Only ammo I've ran through my M2.
DmDuck
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Why is telling a difference so hard to believe? Maybe you have short trees , maybe I was at the bottom of a ravine , or maybe I was weeding a bullet through an opening the size of a dime and punching out the eyeball .
I wasn't just describing the accuracy of the firearm , but also benifits of less pelt damage and less hang-ups too. Now take a 22lr , at close distance ( hollow point or soild ) and poke a coon in the eye see if you don't blow out the back of his head or see if he hangs up or gets BLOWN out of the tree like with the Mach II.
How's this for an accuracy test .... peel off a squirrels head with the Mach II or the HMR at 75 yards then pull it off with a 22lr . /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I wasn't just describing the accuracy of the firearm , but also benifits of less pelt damage and less hang-ups too. Now take a 22lr , at close distance ( hollow point or soild ) and poke a coon in the eye see if you don't blow out the back of his head or see if he hangs up or gets BLOWN out of the tree like with the Mach II.
How's this for an accuracy test .... peel off a squirrels head with the Mach II or the HMR at 75 yards then pull it off with a 22lr . /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I think the M2 may be the ultimate tree squirrel round. I have had several .17 HMR's,and while it is a great round it is way to destructive and loud for squirrel hunting.My wife&I kill over 100 squirrel's each every year and I am constantly looking for a better rifle.I picked up a Anschutz 1502 at Whittakers last September and it will average .25"-.3" at 50 yrds.I have also shot a couple of CZ M2's and they were just as accurate.I consider the ammo reasonable at 5.00 a box.The Eley.22 match ammo I shoot cost well over twice that.
GC
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I too am an old squirrel hunter and usually kill 100 +/- each year. I have several .22 LR's that shoot sub 1/2" @ 50 yards for five shots from the bench. Getting a quality, accurate .22 Long Rifle isn't a hard task, especially if one is willing to buy a quality rifle and ammo. I've shot the occasional squirrel as far as 60-75 yards, especially in late fall when the underbrush is down and leaves fallen. The squirrels are on the ground foraging for dropped acorns then and longish shots are a real possibility. I use Eley Long Rifle High Velocity Hollow Point ammo and have never found it lacking for either accuracy or stopping power. Since moving to the farm here I've killed a dozen coons, a dozen groundhogs, lot's of crows, and more feral cats than I should mention. The barnlot is 110 yards from the far edge of my lawn. I've dropped all of the above there with one shot and they moved NO distance from the shot. I keep thinking I need a .22 Magnum or new Hornet, but just don't feel undergunned with my rifles and Eley LR's. In fact, while squirrel hunting the longer shots with scoped rifles are becoming too common place. So I switched back to an old favorite Marlin M39A lever action .22 LR with Williams aperture sight (peep) for a nice change to put some more hunting back in the game. Occasionally I use a handgun of one sort or another.
With all that said, I'm not anti-.17 caliber, I just can't realize their supposed advantage. Especially for the cost. Educate me, what can a .17 MII offer me over my experience with the .22 LR?
With all that said, I'm not anti-.17 caliber, I just can't realize their supposed advantage. Especially for the cost. Educate me, what can a .17 MII offer me over my experience with the .22 LR?
GC,the main advantage I see is the trajectory.With a .22 sighted in at 50 yrds with the SK subsonic's we normally use the bullet will be 8-9" low at 100 yrds.With the M2 it will be 1"or less.The wife&I were hunting an open woods one morning this fall,seperated by 40-50 yrds.I shot three fox squirrel's in 10 minute's off of the base of a huge oak tree at 85 long steps,holding dead on and all were head shots.The M2,along with the HMR are a blast for shooting starlings and grackles at long range.Also the richochet factor should be less,17 gr.vs.40gr.
DmDuck
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JimH
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Where in Southeast Indiana ? I'm in Greensburg !!!!
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With all that said, I'm not anti-.17 caliber, I just can't realize their supposed advantage. Especially for the cost. Educate me, what can a .17 MII offer me over my experience with the .22 LR?
GC , probably not a darn thing . Now if you were in a market for a new light caliber firearm, and wanted something to tinker with the MII and HMR are really fun guns . This was the first season I carried one coon hunting, none of the guys were impressed last season when another yokel carried one , but you are only as good as your firearm and the amount of time you accustom yourself to it . I heard nothing but praises about it after a couple nights of running, I'm just telling my experiences with the darn thing I didn't sign up for a brawl over it all .
I wanted to upgrade my squirrel rifle ( Henry Lever Action 22 ) what I got was a squirrel, coon , fox, coyote rifle with the HMR and a fun sidekick with the M2, looking to get a Taurus .17 revolver too .
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Reged: 01/16/04
Posts: 25
Loc: S.E. Indiana
Where in Southeast Indiana ? I'm in Greensburg !!!!
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With all that said, I'm not anti-.17 caliber, I just can't realize their supposed advantage. Especially for the cost. Educate me, what can a .17 MII offer me over my experience with the .22 LR?
GC , probably not a darn thing . Now if you were in a market for a new light caliber firearm, and wanted something to tinker with the MII and HMR are really fun guns . This was the first season I carried one coon hunting, none of the guys were impressed last season when another yokel carried one , but you are only as good as your firearm and the amount of time you accustom yourself to it . I heard nothing but praises about it after a couple nights of running, I'm just telling my experiences with the darn thing I didn't sign up for a brawl over it all .
I wanted to upgrade my squirrel rifle ( Henry Lever Action 22 ) what I got was a squirrel, coon , fox, coyote rifle with the HMR and a fun sidekick with the M2, looking to get a Taurus .17 revolver too .
DmDuck
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Hold on to your hat man...that place is a tornado magnet ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
You sellin' your hides at Dahl's? I know a few people from there in Elrod , we'll have to hook up and chase critters or have coffee !! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
You sellin' your hides at Dahl's? I know a few people from there in Elrod , we'll have to hook up and chase critters or have coffee !! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
GC
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For the two Jim's,
JimH, I don't use subsonic .22 LR, so with the Eley HVHP that I do use and a 50 yard sight-in I'm about 4 1/2" - 5" low at 100 yards.
Jim Mc, No "brawl" brother, just some spirted debate. I've got no problem with ya'll's choice. You chose it for your needs and purposes. I've bought (and own) more than one firearm that I didn't need, I just wanted to fiddle with it. I don't have a need for one and can't really see the true utility for the Mach II. The HMR, maybe, just maybe, it could prove useful around the barnlot for crows, starlings, feral cats, ect...
JimH, I don't use subsonic .22 LR, so with the Eley HVHP that I do use and a 50 yard sight-in I'm about 4 1/2" - 5" low at 100 yards.
Jim Mc, No "brawl" brother, just some spirted debate. I've got no problem with ya'll's choice. You chose it for your needs and purposes. I've bought (and own) more than one firearm that I didn't need, I just wanted to fiddle with it. I don't have a need for one and can't really see the true utility for the Mach II. The HMR, maybe, just maybe, it could prove useful around the barnlot for crows, starlings, feral cats, ect...