.17Rem. .........coyote gun or coyote club?

I don't have a whole lot of experience shooting fox, but I shot one with my swift at about 50 yds with a 55gr. Ballistic Tip and it put about a baseball sized hole on the back side. My dad shot one with the .17 Rem using a hornady 25 gr. HP. and did about the same amount of damage, maybe a bit more. I am sure with the right slug a person could find a right combination. I would personally use a .22 mag. for fox.

Now about using a .300 mag. on coyotes. I shoot a 125 gr. ballistic tip and it left only one hole as far as I can tell. I might use it in the next contest to win the lightest dog contest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
My first go to calling rifle was a 22-250, for about a year. Then went to a 25-06 for about a year. Then to a 17 Rem for about 15 years. Lately I have gone to the Swift because I like the rifle. I got another 17 I may break out this year. I have shot them with a 30-06 while on a deer stands. During all these years, I have used every commercial 22 cal centerfire rifle, a 22-250 AI and a few handguns. Without a doubt, the highest percentage of fall on the spot, dead right now shots have come from the 17 cal Remington using the old Remington Power-Lokt bullets. They are now all gone but I would pay good money to get my hands on another 1000 or so.
 
The 17 Rem is neither a guaranteed killer or a guaranteed fur saver, but no caliber is. A friend and I were calling red fox at night and had one at about 30 yards sideways. He shot it and it turned 90 degrees and trotted off into the woods like it had been missed. The next day I came back to look for it and found it 40 yards into the woods. It had a fist size exit wound taking out 3 ribs. It was fatal but not right away and it sure was not fur friendly.

There is no magic caliber for DRT or fur friendly.

Jack
 
A little off topic but still .17 cal.
The coyote I shot with the HMR last year left a ton of blood. It was shot facing straight on at 67yds with a 20gn gamepoint. The blood was easy to see as I shot her on the ice. I'm sure this is more the exception than the rule. That said, a 17Rem would be a great coyote round. I'm building a 17AH to use this year. Definately on the small side but I want a rifle with just a little more punch than the HMR that I can reload for. A 25gn berger match hp moving at 3100fps should put the hurt on plenty of coyotes this winter without pelt damage. Should make for a perfect fox round also.

Adam
 
Quote:
Quote:
Yea, I don't get the sig line either. Looks like an invitation to an argument to me. Or just plain ole stirrin' the pot. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif



That is exactly how I take it. But WTH, We're all free to stir the pot up, and debates/maybe make fun of different equipment aren't we?



That's how I believe it was intended to be taken as well.

I'm a confirmed, died in the wool, .17 using, coyote killer, but I ain't taking the bait...

- DAA
 
Quote:
I hear of guys making shots beyond the 300yds. there are often those opportunities in areas I hunt. How much drop do you have at 4, 5, or 600 yds.? and how do you compenste for drop, with scope adjustments or Kaintuck windage?
How much energy is that 30gr. pill packing at those ranges?



R.F. I use Kenton BDC dials on my scopes, they are'nt perfect but close enough to get the job done. For windage i just use different parts of the coyotes body for aiming ponts and works well for me.
For energy i have'nt given it much thought, never looked at any charts, i just shoot the coyote and watch them tip over.. I've never taken one yet at 600 yds to see if the 17 is up for the job or not at that distance but i have taken them out to 550 yds.
I also carry a 22-250 ackley with a BDC dial on the scope and if i feel the 17 is'nt good enough for a certain shot then i use it instead.
Certain things have to be considered when takeing a long poke at a coyote. Like is the ground somewhat flat or rolling hills, is there heavey cover near by or is the area completely bare with no place for the coyote to run to if the shot goes bad.
"I've seen coyotes shot with a wide assortment of cartridges and a badd hit with any of them is a badd hit period."
When i'm hunting at home with the group the two cartridges used that produce the most runners are the 223 and 243 win.
I'm not saying the two cartridges are worse than others but semm to produce alot of runners with poor hits..
The 17 cal may not be for everyone but if you are looking to keep pelt damage to a minium and you get a chance at a 400 yd. coyote go ahead and take the shot...
 
I know over at coyotegods.com if your not shootin the .17rem, they basically run you off. They shoot the berger match bullets, and nothing else. I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to see the pelt damage from one of the barnes varment grenade bullets on a coyote. they are less dense than traditional slugs so they have a much better BC i would think, and from what i understand they impart all their KE in 4 inches or less. Sounds like a bullet that has a high BC for longer shots, lighter weight for more velocity, and such explosive terminal ballistics would be a great round to save fur with. Again i know nothng about he real world application of the pill, hopeing that some of you have some experience with them that i can pick up on.
 
Quote:
I know over at coyotegods.com if your not shootin the .17rem, they basically run you off.



Buncha douchebags, and I love the .17 Remington!....
 
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know over at coyotegods.com if your not shootin the .17rem, they basically run you off.

Each site has its own set of rules...
 
Tweety,

Actually WE at Coyote Gods Use 25 Gr. Berger Match/Varmint bullets. The Match do not expand good enough for sure DRT kills.

Dave Douchebag
 
The 17 Rems have proved to be a pain in the butt like no other guns that I have ever owned. Two Sako Vixens, Two Rem 700 Factory....

What solved all the pain is a custom Shelin Barrel with a turn neck tight neck reamer with zero freebore.

The 17 Mach 4's that I have owned have been way more user friendly than the factory 17 Rem's, then again, they were custom guns.

Being in love with the factory 17 Rems was like being in love with a stripper/part time hooker thinking you are her only boy friend....you are going to know pain!
 
Quote:
The 17 Rems have proved to be a pain in the butt like no other guns that I have ever owned. Two Sako Vixens, Two Rem 700 Factory....

What solved all the pain is a custom Shelin Barrel with a turn neck tight neck reamer with zero freebore.

The 17 Mach 4's that I have owned have been way more user friendly than the factory 17 Rem's, then again, they were custom guns.

Being in love with the factory 17 Rems was like being in love with a stripper/part time hooker thinking you are her only boy friend....you are going to know pain!



I've owned 17 Remingtons since late 1978....a total of 15 different ones IIRC, and I have felt very little pain over the time. And...I've been married to the same stripper for 38 years now... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
i have killed over two hundred coyotes with 25.gr bergers,and have had only one run more than ten or fifteen yds.i have also cut a lot of them open to see what damage has been caused,most of the time it is hard to believe that something that small did that much damage.i have shot coyotes at 400 plus measured yds. and had instant kills.i must do something different.
 
Quote:
"i have taken [them] out to 550 yds"
TA, how many? Also any quartering or crosswinds?



Kirby: six coyotes taken between 500 and 550 yds.
According to my log book 3 where shot at into the wind,1 had a 5 mph cross wind and two was no wind ( less than 5 mph.)

i only have one factory 17 Rem. the other six are custom or full blown custom. For fox i use hornady 25 gr. H.P. with the vel. around 3850 and for coyotes 30 gr. golds with vel. from 3850 up to 4100 fps..
I called a few fox this year when after coyotes and they where shot with the 30 gr. golds and i had no fur damage so i may use them for fox full time...
 
Quote:
Tweety,

Actually WE at Coyote Gods Use 25 Gr. Berger Match/Varmint bullets. The Match do not expand good enough for sure DRT kills.

Dave Douchebag



You're a prime example of what CG's has to offer...
 
Back
Top