The 22-250 ai has a larger case capacity than the 22 creedmoor, not by much but it has a 40degree instead of 30 degree shoulder angle and a slightly shorter neck. The reason I chose a 22-250 ai was because you can buy affordable dies for it. Not so for the 22 creedmoor you have to buy a fl bushing 6mm creedmoor die or order custom dies that cost bunches more and take long time to show up. People complaining about fireforming brass must not shoot much. Why is it a problem to load 100 rounds and shoot them? Then load 100 more and shoot them with greater velocity? I guess if you don’t enjoy shooting it is a chore...
22-250ai vs 22creedmoor
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Originally Posted By: TimgunnerThe 22-250 ai has a larger case capacity than the 22 creedmoor, not by much but it has a 40degree instead of 30 degree shoulder angle and a slightly shorter neck. The reason I chose a 22-250 ai was because you can buy affordable dies for it. Not so for the 22 creedmoor you have to buy a fl bushing 6mm creedmoor die or order custom dies that cost bunches more and take long time to show up. People complaining about fireforming brass must not shoot much. Why is it a problem to load 100 rounds and shoot them? Then load 100 more and shoot them with greater velocity? I guess if you don’t enjoy shooting it is a chore...
I see it just the opposite, I'd rather spend more time shooting and less time fire forming and or developing loads.
I've got many "improved" chamberings, as of current I have five. Two of them I would absolutely do again but the other three I would not.
As I said previously, it's not that fire forming is that big a deal but if you can achieve the same thing by using a different case that doesn't require any forming, for me, I'll gladly opt for the one that does the same thing without the extra step.
I see it just the opposite, I'd rather spend more time shooting and less time fire forming and or developing loads.
I've got many "improved" chamberings, as of current I have five. Two of them I would absolutely do again but the other three I would not.
As I said previously, it's not that fire forming is that big a deal but if you can achieve the same thing by using a different case that doesn't require any forming, for me, I'll gladly opt for the one that does the same thing without the extra step.
Originally Posted By: TimgunnerThe 22-250 ai has a larger case capacity than the 22 creedmoor, not by much but it has a 40degree instead of 30 degree shoulder angle and a slightly shorter neck. The reason I chose a 22-250 ai was because you can buy affordable dies for it. Not so for the 22 creedmoor you have to buy a fl bushing 6mm creedmoor die or order custom dies that cost bunches more and take long time to show up. People complaining about fireforming brass must not shoot much. Why is it a problem to load 100 rounds and shoot them? Then load 100 more and shoot them with greater velocity? I guess if you don’t enjoy shooting it is a chore...
This is incorrect. I had a 22 250ai and now a CM. My 22cm is faster than my 22 250ai and much easier on brass. I lost 10% of my brass to split necks with fireforming and the remaining brass produced losses of 50% due to primer pocket issues.
Just stating my experience. I'll never go back.
This is incorrect. I had a 22 250ai and now a CM. My 22cm is faster than my 22 250ai and much easier on brass. I lost 10% of my brass to split necks with fireforming and the remaining brass produced losses of 50% due to primer pocket issues.
Just stating my experience. I'll never go back.
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Originally Posted By: JCHOriginally Posted By: TimgunnerThe 22-250 ai has a larger case capacity than the 22 creedmoor, not by much but it has a 40degree instead of 30 degree shoulder angle and a slightly shorter neck. The reason I chose a 22-250 ai was because you can buy affordable dies for it. Not so for the 22 creedmoor you have to buy a fl bushing 6mm creedmoor die or order custom dies that cost bunches more and take long time to show up. People complaining about fireforming brass must not shoot much. Why is it a problem to load 100 rounds and shoot them? Then load 100 more and shoot them with greater velocity? I guess if you don’t enjoy shooting it is a chore...
This is incorrect. I had a 22 250ai and now a CM. My 22cm is faster than my 22 250ai and much easier on brass. I lost 10% of my brass to split necks with fireforming and the remaining brass produced losses of 50% due to primer pocket issues.
Just stating my experience. I'll never go back.
I'm assuming you weren't using Lapua brass in your 22-250AI, correct?
This is incorrect. I had a 22 250ai and now a CM. My 22cm is faster than my 22 250ai and much easier on brass. I lost 10% of my brass to split necks with fireforming and the remaining brass produced losses of 50% due to primer pocket issues.
Just stating my experience. I'll never go back.
I'm assuming you weren't using Lapua brass in your 22-250AI, correct?
Originally Posted By: JCHOriginally Posted By: TimgunnerHow is it incorrect?
22-250AI. 46.9 water case capacity
22cm is 52
I know that's what QL shows for case capacity in a 22-250AI but most seem to be measuring a little more than that and your 22 Creedmoor at 52gr of water is the largest of any 22 Creed I've ever seen mentioned.
Real world, I'll bet they are much closer to the same than that.
22-250AI. 46.9 water case capacity
22cm is 52
I know that's what QL shows for case capacity in a 22-250AI but most seem to be measuring a little more than that and your 22 Creedmoor at 52gr of water is the largest of any 22 Creed I've ever seen mentioned.
Real world, I'll bet they are much closer to the same than that.
I don’t know where you got those numbers from, but a standard 22-250 has 45 gr h20 case capacity. An ackley version has almost identical outside case dimensions to a 22 creedmoor with the exception of the shoulder angle. The 22-250ai body shoulder junction begins 1.524” from the base and the creedmoor body shoulder junction begins 1.49” from the base that equates to 2.28% longer body before the shoulder taper begins. Please explain how the creedmoor holds 5.1 grains more h20 while having smaller dimensions.
Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: JCHOriginally Posted By: TimgunnerHow is it incorrect?
22-250AI. 46.9 water case capacity
22cm is 52
I know that's what QL shows for case capacity in a 22-250AI but most seem to be measuring a little more than that and your 22 Creedmoor at 52gr of water is the largest of any 22 Creed I've ever seen mentioned.
Real world, I'll bet they are much closer to the same than that.
So discount what everyone seems to say about the 22cm decrease it, in the same breath increase what everyone seems to say about the 22-250AI so that they seem equal?? Gotcha, so much for my personal actual experience with both. These type of responses are exactly why i typically dont engage in forum discussions any longer.
Bottom line, the 22cm is at least 150-200 fps faster than the 22-250AI. I guess it must be the name 'Creedmoor' makes it run faster and not a difference in case capacity.
Im going back in my hole, nevermind me.
22-250AI. 46.9 water case capacity
22cm is 52
I know that's what QL shows for case capacity in a 22-250AI but most seem to be measuring a little more than that and your 22 Creedmoor at 52gr of water is the largest of any 22 Creed I've ever seen mentioned.
Real world, I'll bet they are much closer to the same than that.
So discount what everyone seems to say about the 22cm decrease it, in the same breath increase what everyone seems to say about the 22-250AI so that they seem equal?? Gotcha, so much for my personal actual experience with both. These type of responses are exactly why i typically dont engage in forum discussions any longer.
Bottom line, the 22cm is at least 150-200 fps faster than the 22-250AI. I guess it must be the name 'Creedmoor' makes it run faster and not a difference in case capacity.
Im going back in my hole, nevermind me.
Originally Posted By: JCHOriginally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: JCHOriginally Posted By: TimgunnerHow is it incorrect?
22-250AI. 46.9 water case capacity
22cm is 52
I know that's what QL shows for case capacity in a 22-250AI but most seem to be measuring a little more than that and your 22 Creedmoor at 52gr of water is the largest of any 22 Creed I've ever seen mentioned.
Real world, I'll bet they are much closer to the same than that.
So discount what everyone seems to say about the 22cm decrease it, in the same breath increase what everyone seems to say about the 22-250AI so that they seem equal?? Gotcha, so much for my personal actual experience with both. These type of responses are exactly why i typically dont engage in forum discussions any longer.
Bottom line, the 22cm is at least 150-200 fps faster than the 22-250AI. I guess it must be the name 'Creedmoor' makes it run faster and not a difference in case capacity.
Im going back in my hole, nevermind me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=DIx9Gvw5TJw
Doesn't sound like they are getting anywhere close to the 150-200fps faster with their 22 Creedmoor over the 22-250ai. He says about 30-50 but hey, I'm sure your 150-200 is the more accurate number. lol
22-250AI. 46.9 water case capacity
22cm is 52
I know that's what QL shows for case capacity in a 22-250AI but most seem to be measuring a little more than that and your 22 Creedmoor at 52gr of water is the largest of any 22 Creed I've ever seen mentioned.
Real world, I'll bet they are much closer to the same than that.
So discount what everyone seems to say about the 22cm decrease it, in the same breath increase what everyone seems to say about the 22-250AI so that they seem equal?? Gotcha, so much for my personal actual experience with both. These type of responses are exactly why i typically dont engage in forum discussions any longer.
Bottom line, the 22cm is at least 150-200 fps faster than the 22-250AI. I guess it must be the name 'Creedmoor' makes it run faster and not a difference in case capacity.
Im going back in my hole, nevermind me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=DIx9Gvw5TJw
Doesn't sound like they are getting anywhere close to the 150-200fps faster with their 22 Creedmoor over the 22-250ai. He says about 30-50 but hey, I'm sure your 150-200 is the more accurate number. lol
Not watching your video, i dont care.
Ive had both, to get anywhere near the standard 22cm speeds you better be shooting blended powder at pressure that isnt safe.
You basically said you dont care what some of the smartest minds are telling you with your quickload comment. I mean, what do those guys know??? Morons compared to you.
Enjoy your evening, im off to build a 22-257 weatherby
Ive had both, to get anywhere near the standard 22cm speeds you better be shooting blended powder at pressure that isnt safe.
You basically said you dont care what some of the smartest minds are telling you with your quickload comment. I mean, what do those guys know??? Morons compared to you.
Enjoy your evening, im off to build a 22-257 weatherby
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Originally Posted By: JCHNot watching your video, i dont care.
Ive had both, to get anywhere near the standard 22cm speeds you better be shooting blended powder at pressure that isnt safe.
You basically said you dont care what some of the smartest minds are telling you with your quickload comment. I mean, what do those guys know??? Morons compared to you.
Enjoy your evening, im off to build a 22-257 weatherby
Dang.
Ive had both, to get anywhere near the standard 22cm speeds you better be shooting blended powder at pressure that isnt safe.
You basically said you dont care what some of the smartest minds are telling you with your quickload comment. I mean, what do those guys know??? Morons compared to you.
Enjoy your evening, im off to build a 22-257 weatherby
Dang.
Originally Posted By: JCHNot watching your video, i dont care.
Ive had both, to get anywhere near the standard 22cm speeds you better be shooting blended powder at pressure that isnt safe.
You basically said you dont care what some of the smartest minds are telling you with your quickload comment. I mean, what do those guys know??? Morons compared to you.
Enjoy your evening, im off to build a 22-257 weatherby
Sensitive much?! LOL
It's not my video, but it is one promoting 22 Creedmoor builds and they themselves say they are only seeing 30-50fps difference between the 22-250AI and the 22 Creedmoor.
Ive had both, to get anywhere near the standard 22cm speeds you better be shooting blended powder at pressure that isnt safe.
You basically said you dont care what some of the smartest minds are telling you with your quickload comment. I mean, what do those guys know??? Morons compared to you.
Enjoy your evening, im off to build a 22-257 weatherby
Sensitive much?! LOL
It's not my video, but it is one promoting 22 Creedmoor builds and they themselves say they are only seeing 30-50fps difference between the 22-250AI and the 22 Creedmoor.
I have only lost 1 piece of brass in my 22-250AI, it was a lapua.
I have a few hundred AI cases now, all range brass winchester.
Pick up range brass, resize it, load it, shoot it, anneal it. Have not lost one yet.
I would not buy a creedmoor anything, for the reason that everyone jumps on the bandwagon and I don't like to be a part of the bandwagon. My 22-250 AI will wear out a barrel just as fast as a creedmoor, and I never have to buy brass or wonder if the prairie dog noticed the extra 50 fps that may or may not exist!
I have a few hundred AI cases now, all range brass winchester.
Pick up range brass, resize it, load it, shoot it, anneal it. Have not lost one yet.
I would not buy a creedmoor anything, for the reason that everyone jumps on the bandwagon and I don't like to be a part of the bandwagon. My 22-250 AI will wear out a barrel just as fast as a creedmoor, and I never have to buy brass or wonder if the prairie dog noticed the extra 50 fps that may or may not exist!