Originally Posted By: varminter .223What do you guys feel the real down fall of the swipe is? I have shot some 7 or 8 times and still going. Does the swipe cause a problem in the shell holder? Knocking the swipe off can't be anymore involved than sizing and triming Hagar brass. I bought my 22 Nosler brass for half the price of the Hagar. People said they were afraid 22 Nosler would eventually be hard to find, and then they set up for Hagar which is already hard to find. Just curious what you guys are trying to gain.
Every one is trying to be nice about this. I'll just come out and say it. 22 Nosler brass is junk!!!!! It's to soft, and the rebated rim makes it even worse. The smaller surface area of the .373 base magnifies the problem even further. There are only a few remedies to fix swiped brass. One is to use a Wilson shell holder and trimmer,putting the case holder on the trimmer backwards and turning the base flat. This will work for a few loadings, until you have cut enough material from the back of the case to weaken it, at which time the rim will fail.
Your also not doing your barrel any justice shooting brass with swipes on it. We all know you need to size your brass enough to get it to chamber in an AR. Usually setting the shoulder back somewhere around .005 If your brass has a .003 extrusion from being swiped 2 things can and will happen. When you size it, the case head will become cocked to one side. You basically have created a wedge from the swipe from the shot before. The same wedge will also cause the loaded round to not be concentric with the bore when chambered. It will tilt the loaded round to some degree causing the bullet to engage the rifling with out being in line with the bore. This will be very slight but it's still there. To look at it another way imagine how well your barrel would shoot without these problems. A
It's never been a question of accuracy. There are lots of barrels out there that shoot little tiny groups. The speeds aren't there, at least the advertised speeds from Nosler. If you load to get the top end performance you get swipes. The only way to eliminate the swipes is to down load. At that point you may as well shoot a top end 223 load.
The other option is to make brass from the Hagar case. The brass is a little harder and has a full size, .422 head on it. This spreads the pressure over a larger surface. It will also have a bit more capacity over the Nosler. The 22 Nosler used up a lot of available case to get the rebated rim. The case head has to be thicker to make room for the extractor to clear the case body as the case tips to the side during ejection. The Hager as well as the 6.8 does not have this problem so the case head can be made in a normal fashion.