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and on top of that. i was not saying your response was bs. i was talking about the, cant handle recoil. of course head shots are low percentage. but i look at it this way. while hunting squirrels i shoot for the head. and i trust my shooting abilities. what i was asking is would it drop them. turkeys tend to scare easy. and when there are 15000 in a building i am going to be shooting next to i dont want them to pile and kill each other.
 
brante,
You didn't answer the question about your coyote hunting experience...

Short quick answer here, sounds like the perfect trapping opportunity. A good trapper could solve your issues with little muss and fuss.
 
Originally Posted By: branteare turkeys not livestock. we raise about a million a year.

Ahhh,,,, not really. At least,, not according to Merriam Webster.

""Farm animals, with the exception of poultry. In Western countries the category encompasses primarily cattle, sheep, pigs, goats, horses, donkeys, and mules; other animals (e.g., buffalo, oxen, or camels) may predominate in other areas. See also [beeep], cow, dairy farming""

Anyway, English grammar aside, like others have said, this is definitely a situation where traps would be a much better alternative. Traps are working 24/7 but you gotta sleep sometime, and that's when Mr. Coyote is most likely to show up.

PS,,, A properly set snare won't require the use of a firearm at all. It don't get much quieter than that.

 
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Originally Posted By: brantewhile hunting squirrels i shoot for the head. and i trust my shooting abilities.

I'm with you here.
Personally, I have a 100% kill rate while head shooting coyotes in my yard with rimfire.
IMO People who tell you it's a low percentage shot are projecting their own inadequacies on you. They (nor I) do not know what your skill level is.

My concern would be whether a glancing blow from a short would fracture the skull adequately to drop the yote in it's tracks.

Traps or snares would be the best alternative to prevent spooking your birds.
If you want to shoot them, a suppressed .22 with a 1-9" twist, shooting Aguila 60 gr subsonics would be a better and quieter choice than .22 shorts.
 
I may have to set a couple snares but trapping season is over in iowa. so this is why i was going the quiet shoot em route.
 
According to the Remington ballistic chart, the 22 short has 77 ft. lbs. of energy at the muzzle. I shot a lot of shorts when I was growing up as they cost less than half of the long rifles, that was enough to turn me against them for any type of game as they were not reliable even on rabbits. In my opinion, your situation would seem to beg for something on the order of a 22 hornet with a suppressor or a high power air rifle.
 
Why not just hunt/call/shoot them further away from the Turkey "houses"???
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Still, best results will eb trapping. IF your scared to trap because season is out get someone to write you a depreadation permit. Not hard.
 
Originally Posted By: brante
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i just have never had to be quiet.

I'd say his coyote hunting experience and abilities are just fine.
 
I have, in the past done varmint and predator control work where being quiet was often necessary. I admit i've tried several times with a suppressed sub-sonic .22 LR. 40gr and 60 gr loads, and under perfect conditions they do result in the desired effect. However you rarely get PERFECT conditions.... I currently use a suppressed .308 with handloaded 200gr gaschecked bullets over a weighed charge of trailboss powder, and have had 100% success on coyotes, bobcats and a couple much larger critters, I realize you didn't ask for this information, but IMO you would be considerably more effective with a different cartridge than a .22 short.
 
Originally Posted By: brantehow effective is a 22 short on a coyote. I wondering a head shot at 30 yds?

Sooooo brante. After the smoke cleared, did you get enough info to make a decision?

What do YOU think? Is a .22 short going to be effective?
 
Are those turkeys really that sensitive? What do you do when a thunderstorm blows in or a car horn blows or you have to work around the turkey houses and make a little racket? Every time you have a thunderstorm do they go into a frenzy and trample hundreds to death? That is a serious question, seems hard to imagine them being that intense. I've shot wild public land turkeys out of a group and the others jump/hopped off a few yards and just stood staring or actually came right back to the call. The shotgun blast didn't bother them much at all.

Short answer again - traps. Farmers know about deprivation/nuisance permits and are usually familiar with how to obtain them. Sounds like a process you need to become acquainted with.
 
Don't know if you bow hunt any but a bow is quiet and 30 yards is not problem. A crossbow would also be an option?
 
they are senstive. sometimes they do during thunderstorms. its a pain in the u know what when they do. not always but if i can avoid it im gonna try it. looked into other options. gonna borrow a crossbow from a buddy. start there. GC you are correct. trapping would be no problem, just want to hunt them this time.
 
Can you use Cans in Iowa? Id look into a can on a .22mag/.22lr for pest control or a sub sonic rifle load with a can

Bryan
 
Now that some smoke has cleared, there is a guy over at Rimfire Central who uses a TC G2 Contender with a .22 Short Match Chamber to hunt wild hogs at very close range successfully using CCI .22 CB Shorts. He has done forensic investigation a RC hardness testing on the lead alloy in the bullets something to the effect that they are of a hardness much greater than standard lead bullets resulting in the penetration of the animals' skull. Go, search, read. The pictures are very graphic yet scientific.
 
Originally Posted By: missedshotNow that some smoke has cleared, there is a guy over at Rimfire Central who uses a TC G2 Contender with a .22 Short Match Chamber to hunt wild hogs at very close range successfully using CCI .22 CB Shorts.

Digital Dan is his user name.
His methods require good shot placement, which is a foreign concept on this site.

"Please be an ethical hunter and wound your noble coyotes with a suitable caliber."
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Originally Posted By: viperDon't know if you bow hunt any but a bow is quiet and 30 yards is not problem. A crossbow would also be an option?

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