223 Wylde vs 5.56/223 barrels

Thoughts? Opinions? I'm currently shooting a 300 blackout and I've been kicking around the idea of a new upper in one of those calibers and was wondering if there was much of a difference between the two shooting factory 223 ammo. Thanks in advance!
 
None that I have seen. Plus there's a little problem in there is no designated Wylde chamber design. Everyone has their own. No standardization.

Greg
 
All I know is our Rock Rivers shoot great with the Wilde chambers! That is my only experience, not sure on plain vanilla 223 or 5.56.
 
Originally Posted By: RiflemannAll I know is our Rock Rivers shoot great with the Wilde chambers! That is my only experience, not sure on plain vanilla 223 or 5.56.

I do think rra has some type of secret sauce. Their barrels seem to shoot everything decent.
 
Originally Posted By: GLShooterNone that I have seen. Plus there's a little problem in there is no designated Wylde chamber design. Everyone has their own. No standardization.

Greg

Wylde chamber dimensions are standardized. Trouble is, no one is required to follow them before chambering and stamping the barrel.

Barrels made with Wylde chambers are usually intended to deliver better precision than barrels with 5.56 NATO chambers
 
Originally Posted By: MistWolfOriginally Posted By: GLShooterNone that I have seen. Plus there's a little problem in there is no designated Wylde chamber design. Everyone has their own. No standardization.

Greg

Wylde chamber dimensions are standardized. Trouble is, no one is required to follow them before chambering and stamping the barrel.

Barrels made with Wylde chambers are usually intended to deliver better precision than barrels with 5.56 NATO chambers

Where do I find that standardized print? The regular 223 chambers are all over the map regardless of SAMMI and for the life of me I can't imagine them getting behind a true spec across the board.

The guy that designed it wrote a big deal on ARFCOM lamenting that it was not being done the same by all the manufacturers as there really was no way to establish it.

Greg
 
A wylde is supposed to be more accurate yet able to safely handle 5.56 pressures. I believe it's because it has a shorter lead in the throat. In the real world, I doubt you'd see a difference. I'm not good enough to worry about it. Pick a barrel that meets you needs and if the only difference is the chamber, pick the cheaper one if there is a price difference.
 
Originally Posted By: GLShooter
Where do I find that standardized print? The regular 223 chambers are all over the map regardless of SAMMI and for the life of me I can't imagine them getting behind a true spec across the board.

The guy that designed it wrote a big deal on ARFCOM lamenting that it was not being done the same by all the manufacturers as there really was no way to establish it.

Greg

is this what you're looking for?

http://www.ar15barrels.com/data/223-556.pdf
 
Originally Posted By: Plant.OneOriginally Posted By: GLShooter
Where do I find that standardized print? The regular 223 chambers are all over the map regardless of SAMMI and for the life of me I can't imagine them getting behind a true spec across the board.

The guy that designed it wrote a big deal on ARFCOM lamenting that it was not being done the same by all the manufacturers as there really was no way to establish it.

Greg

is this what you're looking for?

http://www.ar15barrels.com/data/223-556.pdf

You can even see here differences in the two "Wylde" chambers. Hence the no standardized Wylde chamber specs comment. It is amazing to see how many different simply called 223 Rem chambers there are.
 
if you think thats crazy... look at the 22lr reamer list

PTG22lrreamerspecs.jpg


[edit] also note that the 223 chamber spec list i posted above does not include the White Oak's proprietary 223 chamber they cut, which is supposed to be a modified wylde with a shorter throat if IIRC.
 
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I knew about the 223 comparison chart. I also know a few things about barrel companies today. A 556 stamp or 223 stamp has a better than even chance of being a "Wylde" chamber.

Greg
 
The big difference in chambers is in the distance the bullet has to "jump" from case mouth until it reaches grooves of the rifling. That distance is free bore + leade. It also depends on bullet ogive and seating depth, but those factors can be adjusted (to the extent the magazine will allow) if you reload. Anyway, 5.56 uses a long leade to handle the higher pressures. The Wylde chamber retains that longer leade, so it's still safe to operate at 5.56 pressures. However, it uses the shorter free bore of the .223 Remington chamber.

Example:

.223 has a free bore of .040" and a leade of .045" Total distance from case mouth to rifling is .085"

5.56 has a free bore of .073" and a leade of .164" making total distance .237.

If the chamber is a true Wylde chamber, it should have a .040 free bore and a .164 leade, reducing the total distance to .204"

As mentioned, actual dimensions may vary slightly from one manufacturer to another. It also depends on how badly the chamber reamer is worn out before its replaced, but thats a whole different topic.

The bottom-line takeaway message that I get from this is that the 5.56 chamber is not necessarily designed for maximizing accuracy, its designed to handle a little more pressure and a lot more fouling from heavy usage. The chamber I choose would depend on the intended purpose of the rifle. If its a battle rifle, plinker, or general purpose sewer tube, 5.56 wins. If its going to be a precision target/varmint rifle, I'd go with .223. If its going to be a varmint/plinker that may see some occasional 5.56 ammo, I'd go with a Wylde.

That's just my opinion on the matter - take it for what its worth!
 


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