I have a buddy that i've been hunting with a lot this year. He's using an AR-10 that shoots the 87 V-Max into ~.5 MOA or better. He has a Leupold VX-III with VH reticle and turrets, and has dope for each system on his gun. He also carries an I-Pod Touch with him that has the JBM ballistics program on it that he inputs air density changes into the program every so many hours from a Kestrel. He's shot 5 times from 470-785 yds. now, and killed 4 of them on the 1st shot. The 5th was an error on his part. The 785'er was a through the lung shot and died quickly practically on the spot. A 650-yarder was back in the liver area and took awhile to expire, but we did recover it no addtl. shots needed. To apply shots like this though u need the gizmos and a bullet that'll give u the best chance of expanding at those kind of ranges. IMO, the 87 V-Max is 1 of the best i've seen for all the needed qualities--accuracy, some mass, BC, and polymer-tip which helps with BC and expansion.