25/223 AR (Upper Photos Added)
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KAG
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I have been trying to sort out how to effectively keep my different components separated.
My 223 stuff I just leave as is.
The 6x45 I moly coat the bullets, doesn't help much with keeping the cases separate but since I FL re-size hopefully it won't matter.
For my new 25/223 the only thing I could come up with is I purchased 200 nickle plated 223 cases that I will re-size to 25 then trim back to 1.70. I also use different colored storage boxes.
Anyone else got any better ideas???
My 223 stuff I just leave as is.
The 6x45 I moly coat the bullets, doesn't help much with keeping the cases separate but since I FL re-size hopefully it won't matter.
For my new 25/223 the only thing I could come up with is I purchased 200 nickle plated 223 cases that I will re-size to 25 then trim back to 1.70. I also use different colored storage boxes.
Anyone else got any better ideas???
204 AR
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The different colored boxes for loaded rounds are a good idea, that's what I do.
I also have a cardboard box for the brass of each different caliber, about 10" x10", that's divided into 3 parts for brass in different stages. I place small notes in each compartment on what is there, such as how many times fired, cleaned or not, etc.
At least that's how I keep the 223 and 223 AI separate. And never tumble them together, use a brass catcher, and they shouldn't get mixed up. The 204 brass is treated differently since it was bought new and is kept in separate 100 round lots.
If I were to get another 223 based case I'd just make up another box for the brass and a few different colored ammo boxes for ammo.
Really interested in how that 25 caliber shoots. Not that I need anything, but debating between the 25 and the 6mm. Die availability might be an important factor. And we'll see what BH and NFA come up with. Did you get yours from that 320pf (I think that was his user name) on AR15? There's a good thread on the caliber over there.
Russ
I also have a cardboard box for the brass of each different caliber, about 10" x10", that's divided into 3 parts for brass in different stages. I place small notes in each compartment on what is there, such as how many times fired, cleaned or not, etc.
At least that's how I keep the 223 and 223 AI separate. And never tumble them together, use a brass catcher, and they shouldn't get mixed up. The 204 brass is treated differently since it was bought new and is kept in separate 100 round lots.
If I were to get another 223 based case I'd just make up another box for the brass and a few different colored ammo boxes for ammo.
Really interested in how that 25 caliber shoots. Not that I need anything, but debating between the 25 and the 6mm. Die availability might be an important factor. And we'll see what BH and NFA come up with. Did you get yours from that 320pf (I think that was his user name) on AR15? There's a good thread on the caliber over there.
Russ
KAG
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Originally Posted By: 204 AR
Really interested in how that 25 caliber shoots. Not that I need anything, but debating between the 25 and the 6mm. Die availability might be an important factor. And we'll see what BH and NFA come up with. Did you get yours from that 320pf (I think that was his user name) on AR15? There's a good thread on the caliber over there.
Russ
Well supposedly CH4D is in the process of a die run. According to Sharps, RCBS is already on line with them....I plan to call the day after the shot show opens.
Before I ever knew about the AR15,com group buy I had contacted Pacific Tool about getting reamers made. I also contacted BH about this cartridge chambered. They did not have reamers at the time but said they could produce it for me if I got them. Black Hole was the barrel maker I wanted to produce this to begin with and even considered having 10 made and putting them together but like everyone with a good idea it takes good money.
I was then told about a group buy going on over at AR15.com and contacted Brent who I believe borrowed some reamers from a guy that had already done this. NFA as far as I know played no part in this unless they have decided to jump on board but I did make contact with them prior to Sharps/Federal announcing they were bringing this wildcat to market. I thought this would be a great round for them to launch as they were the perfect ones to do so, but I think they were focused on this NFA 6mm and shortly afterward they announced their 6mm offering. I also believe Mike at Dtech has made a couple of these also in the past as I read a post somewhere from 2007 that he had reamers for it. I suggested to Brent from AR15.com that he should contact BH and discuss this. No idea what happened except afterward BH said they would be offering it. I am just glad it happening,
There are many more viable cartridges that I hope will be worked up in the AR15 format. Mainly 25's, like 25/223AI, 25 SPC, 25 Grendel, as well as the AI versions and for the AR10 a 25-08/AI.
The round is not new, its just gaining more and more attention as guys shoot it. Its just one of those solid performers that's been just kind of missed by the masses until recently. I am just glad all those people over the years that are tinkerers and just can not leave well enough alone have allowed us to get to where we are.
Really interested in how that 25 caliber shoots. Not that I need anything, but debating between the 25 and the 6mm. Die availability might be an important factor. And we'll see what BH and NFA come up with. Did you get yours from that 320pf (I think that was his user name) on AR15? There's a good thread on the caliber over there.
Russ
Well supposedly CH4D is in the process of a die run. According to Sharps, RCBS is already on line with them....I plan to call the day after the shot show opens.
Before I ever knew about the AR15,com group buy I had contacted Pacific Tool about getting reamers made. I also contacted BH about this cartridge chambered. They did not have reamers at the time but said they could produce it for me if I got them. Black Hole was the barrel maker I wanted to produce this to begin with and even considered having 10 made and putting them together but like everyone with a good idea it takes good money.
I was then told about a group buy going on over at AR15.com and contacted Brent who I believe borrowed some reamers from a guy that had already done this. NFA as far as I know played no part in this unless they have decided to jump on board but I did make contact with them prior to Sharps/Federal announcing they were bringing this wildcat to market. I thought this would be a great round for them to launch as they were the perfect ones to do so, but I think they were focused on this NFA 6mm and shortly afterward they announced their 6mm offering. I also believe Mike at Dtech has made a couple of these also in the past as I read a post somewhere from 2007 that he had reamers for it. I suggested to Brent from AR15.com that he should contact BH and discuss this. No idea what happened except afterward BH said they would be offering it. I am just glad it happening,
There are many more viable cartridges that I hope will be worked up in the AR15 format. Mainly 25's, like 25/223AI, 25 SPC, 25 Grendel, as well as the AI versions and for the AR10 a 25-08/AI.
The round is not new, its just gaining more and more attention as guys shoot it. Its just one of those solid performers that's been just kind of missed by the masses until recently. I am just glad all those people over the years that are tinkerers and just can not leave well enough alone have allowed us to get to where we are.
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KAG
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I thought I would add this, I stole the post from another site where they were discussing the 25/223. I am posting it only because the poster summed it up so well as to the round's potential. It was posted by.......
Mike from Dtech
There are a couple of things that take place when you go to a larger diameter bullet. The same grain-weight of bullet in a larger diameter, you will have less surface area on the bore. This is not why a larger bore bullet of the same weight is faster. In fact, when you lessen resistance, it will lower the velocity. The reason you will get more velocity out of the larger diameter bullet of the same weight is the area of the base of the bullet.
Pressure is your limiting factor in how fast you can propel a bullet. If there were no pressure constraints, you could propel a 100 grain bullet out of a 6" barrel at 4000 feet per second! The problem is we do have to live with pressure limits. That's why when you apply the same (maximum) pressure to the rear of a larger diameter bullet, you will get more energy.
Diameter is a funny thing: It works in the inverse square. In other words, when you increase your diameter by double, you quadruple your area. So, when you make a small change in diameter, you make a noticeable change in area. This is nothing new, look at ANY set of cartridges and see what happens when you change diameter. Take the .308 case: Neck it down to 7mm and then to 6.5mm and then to 6mm. You've got the 7mm-08 the .260 Remington and the .243 Winchester. As you move down in size, you move down in energy.
Back to the .25.223, it follows all of the laws that I just mentioned. You will get more energy out of it than a .223 or a 6 x 45. Magazine length is an issue. There are things that can be done to work around mag-length to a certain degree, but in the end it is a limiting factor.
Bottom line: I was talked into the reamer when I was ordering a bunch of others. I don't know from personally shooting this round what it will do. You would probably get about 20% more energy than the 6 x 45, but it would be in bullets that would either be light, or have a poor ballistic coefficient (round nose or something to that effect) I will no doubt sell a 25/.223 to someone, but probably not because it's better than the 6 x 45. It just has more energy. Probably just about right for short-range big-game hunting.
Mike from Dtech
There are a couple of things that take place when you go to a larger diameter bullet. The same grain-weight of bullet in a larger diameter, you will have less surface area on the bore. This is not why a larger bore bullet of the same weight is faster. In fact, when you lessen resistance, it will lower the velocity. The reason you will get more velocity out of the larger diameter bullet of the same weight is the area of the base of the bullet.
Pressure is your limiting factor in how fast you can propel a bullet. If there were no pressure constraints, you could propel a 100 grain bullet out of a 6" barrel at 4000 feet per second! The problem is we do have to live with pressure limits. That's why when you apply the same (maximum) pressure to the rear of a larger diameter bullet, you will get more energy.
Diameter is a funny thing: It works in the inverse square. In other words, when you increase your diameter by double, you quadruple your area. So, when you make a small change in diameter, you make a noticeable change in area. This is nothing new, look at ANY set of cartridges and see what happens when you change diameter. Take the .308 case: Neck it down to 7mm and then to 6.5mm and then to 6mm. You've got the 7mm-08 the .260 Remington and the .243 Winchester. As you move down in size, you move down in energy.
Back to the .25.223, it follows all of the laws that I just mentioned. You will get more energy out of it than a .223 or a 6 x 45. Magazine length is an issue. There are things that can be done to work around mag-length to a certain degree, but in the end it is a limiting factor.
Bottom line: I was talked into the reamer when I was ordering a bunch of others. I don't know from personally shooting this round what it will do. You would probably get about 20% more energy than the 6 x 45, but it would be in bullets that would either be light, or have a poor ballistic coefficient (round nose or something to that effect) I will no doubt sell a 25/.223 to someone, but probably not because it's better than the 6 x 45. It just has more energy. Probably just about right for short-range big-game hunting.
Originally Posted By: KAG
I was then told about a group buy going on over at AR15.com and contacted Brent who I believe borrowed some reamers from a guy that had already done this.
The reamer is mine. I started with an existing 25-223 reamer drawing and modified it so that the 25-223AR case would fit within the limits of the AR platform.
The barrels that I provide are custom barrel designed to your specs. In addition, I add to the value my experience with this cartridge, as far as powder selections, load development etc... and what works to make the rifle work reliably. I am currently using this cartridge in 3-gun matches so reliability is an absolute requirement.
I believe that for a custom barrel the price is very reasonable. With that being said, if anyone is interested in getting a barrel made in this caliber. Let me know and will will see what we can work up together.
320pf
I was then told about a group buy going on over at AR15.com and contacted Brent who I believe borrowed some reamers from a guy that had already done this.
The reamer is mine. I started with an existing 25-223 reamer drawing and modified it so that the 25-223AR case would fit within the limits of the AR platform.
The barrels that I provide are custom barrel designed to your specs. In addition, I add to the value my experience with this cartridge, as far as powder selections, load development etc... and what works to make the rifle work reliably. I am currently using this cartridge in 3-gun matches so reliability is an absolute requirement.
I believe that for a custom barrel the price is very reasonable. With that being said, if anyone is interested in getting a barrel made in this caliber. Let me know and will will see what we can work up together.
320pf
You can easily color code your boxes and the actual cartridge/bullet using a Sharpie permanent marker pen. They come in black, blue, red, and green. Just take the sharpie and color the bullet. You can color the whole bullet or just a ring on the ojive.
320pf
Originally Posted By: KAGI have been trying to sort out how to effectively keep my different components separated.
My 223 stuff I just leave as is.
The 6x45 I moly coat the bullets, doesn't help much with keeping the cases separate but since I FL re-size hopefully it won't matter.
For my new 25/223 the only thing I could come up with is I purchased 200 nickle plated 223 cases that I will re-size to 25 then trim back to 1.70. I also use different colored storage boxes.
Anyone else got any better ideas???
320pf
Originally Posted By: KAGI have been trying to sort out how to effectively keep my different components separated.
My 223 stuff I just leave as is.
The 6x45 I moly coat the bullets, doesn't help much with keeping the cases separate but since I FL re-size hopefully it won't matter.
For my new 25/223 the only thing I could come up with is I purchased 200 nickle plated 223 cases that I will re-size to 25 then trim back to 1.70. I also use different colored storage boxes.
Anyone else got any better ideas???
CastleRocker
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320pf said: