.25 Dti ammo

twhitey

twhitey

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Hello folks
I am reading a lot about the .25 Dti upper and was thinking about swapping out my 223 5.56 upper.
I do not reload don't have the time and or space so my question is can I purchase ammo from a custom shop or person.

I would love to use this rifle on Deer and Coyote.

Mike at Deltech recommends just getting a 6.8 rem spc upper I see I would need a new mag and bolt ?
Go easy on me I am new to the Ar platforms so this is all new to me.

What would you guys do if you were not reloading I don't mine spending good money on custom ammo if that's what it will take to go with Deltech .25 Dti
Thanks for any advice and or recommendations
 
If you're new to the AR platform and don't reload, just get a 6.8. Kies mags from Joebob Outfitters and any 6.8 bolt or upgrade to an AR Performance barrel with a headspaced Superbolt.You won't regret it.
 
Originally Posted By: crapshootListen to Mike.

+1 Also you cannot pay someone to load ammo for you that is not licensed to do it. You are not going to find ammo for the 25 DTI any where. If you dont reload, stick to a caliber that you can buy ammo for in the store.
 
I have a 25 DTI and a 6.8. Get the 6.8 if you don't reload. Both of mine are Dtechs and both are hammers. Plus you can find the ammo a lot of places for the 6.8.
 
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Thanks guys I just really wanted that flat shooting .25 wildcat but knowing Mike is the guy to go to and listening to his recommendation of going with the 6.8 that's what I am gonna do.I did read that not only do I need a Mag but maybe will need a bolt?
Thanks
 
Originally Posted By: twhiteyI did read that not only do I need a Mag but maybe will need a bolt?
Thanks

If you are buying a complete upper it should come with the bolt/carrier assembly. If you are just buying a barrel then yes you will need to buy a 6.8 bolt.
 
I would say listen to mike also. The 6.8 will serve you very well. There are many choices now day for factory ammo. And the 6.8 is a great deer gun.

Jason
 
yeah just get a 6.8, I am not sold on the whole wildcat deal with the ar 15 platform. for one the thing chunks brass unlike a bolt gun. I am only reloading for my 223 AR because brass is so cheap and I don't care if alot gets lost.
 
Originally Posted By: steve garrettyeah just get a 6.8, I am not sold on the whole wildcat deal with the ar 15 platform. for one the thing chunks brass unlike a bolt gun. I am only reloading for my 223 AR because brass is so cheap and I don't care if alot gets lost.

The difference between your 223 and my wildcats is a seater and a bushing in many instances. I have thousands of 223 cases but it hurts to loose one in the grass even today.

Limiting yourself based on cheap is just that. ..limiting. I don't shoot store bought ammunition in anything so loading raw brass up for a wildcat is not an inconvenience. I like pushing envelopes in person.

I dislike relying on magazine articles and computer programs telling me what will and what won't work. I despise Quick Load data being presented as gospel and then watching those same characters ignore what they preach. It's just a compilation of what ifs that is based on the assumption that all things in the reloading world are created equal and we all know better. Computer models are fine right up until the first shot.

Greg

 
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Originally Posted By: GLShooterOriginally Posted By: steve garrettyeah just get a 6.8, I am not sold on the whole wildcat deal with the ar 15 platform. for one the thing chunks brass unlike a bolt gun. I am only reloading for my 223 AR because brass is so cheap and I don't care if alot gets lost.

The difference between your 223 and my wildcats is a seater and a bushing in many instances. I have thousands of 223 cases but it hurts to loose one in the grass even today.

Limiting yourself based on cheap us nust that. ..limiting. I don't shoot store bought ammunition in anything so loading raw brass up for a wildcat is not an inconvenience. I like pushing envelopes in person.

I dislike relying on magazine articles and computer programs telling me what will and what won't work. I despise Quick Load data being presented as gospel and then watching those same characters ignore what they preach. It's just a compilation of what ifs that is based on the assumption that all things in the reloading world are created equal and we all know better. Computer models are fine right up until the first shot.

Greg



its just a difference of priorities. for me I don't plan on doing much shooting with an ar 15 beyond 350 yards and even that is a long ways. in that situation brass prep isn't a big deal, so lake city brass run through a standard die that produces 3/4 to 1 moa is all the accuracy I need in that situation.

If I wanted greater precision or more performance from an AR 15 I would probably have the same view you do. who knows I might one day get there. I just need to see something that offers enough of a gain for me. at This point the 6x6.8 doesn't show me that, its cool though. The guy that made the 25 bobcat, now that DOES offer something. If I could get that with plug and play parts in something 6mm I might be tempted.

as to quickload I don't know what your talking about on that. yes I do have it and play with it but I have never said what anyone is doing is unsafe or whatever and they shouldn't use this or that. its simply just a guide, the best application being checking how suitable the powders you have on hand are in a given application. for wildcats, or even simple AI rounds case compacity must be carefully calculated, which I found out isn't that easy to pin down exactly. quickload is far from infallable for instance the h380 loading in a 243 is inaccurate in my belief. it shows the load I am using in that is 75kpsi but this is only a half grain more than 2 other reloading manuals max charge, however some number it puts out were within 7 or 8 fps of actual and mostly withing 50 fps of actual. SOOO with that said you still have to shoot loads rather than rely on the computer. totally.
 
Plug and play is hard to do for lots of wildcats. Barrel availability along with consistent tool measurements relegate most of them to low production numbers. Availability of dies may well be the biggest stumbling block to majy prjects. Every wildcat designer wajts his to shine. We see this more and more with a nip here, a tuck there or what have you. Case capacity and throat design probably sum up the majority of the success or failure of a case. The AR is cursed with short magazines and small barrel diameter. That's the hardest part coupled with a low operating pressure that severely limits experimenters.

Ultimately the chronograph, case life and accuracy determine the success or failure ofcany cartidge. Bullets are pretty much a done deal as we have workable pills in most calibers from mild to wild.

You just pointed out the fallacy of QL. More and more on the multitude of sites I visit I see it as a basic development tool used as an argument that X bullet over X load is perfectly safe yet when the trigger gets pulled a smoking hole is found where the primer use to be. We also see that many times we can't even put the powder charges mentioned shot of compressing it with a tow ton press. We also note that said compression is never taken into consideration on pressures. Repeatedly we see compressed powder charges jump all over then place on velocities and pressures. Compression is not always your friend.

Going for higher performance through the wildcat process is a huge balancing act. Just necking down a case causes lots of issues that must be looked at in a coherent and thoughtful manner if success and safety are to be achieved.

You'll get the urge some day for a what if cartridge. It seems like the more we do the more we want. Find some good hands on people with experience and have at it. Smoke and mirrors abound in the gun world and probably to a greater extent in the wildcatting world. It only costs a few dollars more to go first class. Don't buy a ticket in steerage.

Greg
 
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