260 vs 264

Both calibers are pretty rough on coyote sized animals. If you want to save the pelts, there won't be much left, and what is left will be pretty much a gorped up.

That being said, I have a Remington Sendero-II, in 264 Win Mag with a Leupold MK4-M3 scope for long range feral dogs and coyotes. It is NOT "fur friendly".

The rig was put together to eliminate feral dogs and coyotes on dairy farms.

I use 95 gr V-Maxes at 3600 fps... they leave a real mess.

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I have had 2 rifles in 260 and both smacked a few coyotes and even a bobcat or two. The damage with 100gr Hornady bullets in the Model Seven was not much at all. Fringe hits were more damaging than smaller calibers but not very much.....a bad shot is a bad shot. The VS shot the 125gr Nosler BT best and it had small entrance and exits even on the cats. The 260 is no barn burner and animals shot with it expire quickly but did not exibit extreme fur damage. The lighter bullets might make a mess but they did not shoot well in my factory barrels.
This was my expierance with the 260 and your milage may very.
The 264WM should be a smasher but I've never owned one.
 
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OOOOHHHHHHHHHH the 264 WM! I love this caliber. I have a Sako 264 WM that we tricked out with a 26" Shillin Barrell, McMillan Stock, 2 lb trigger, and topped with a 4X16 Sightron. She is a very finicky woman that only like 140 gr Seirra Game Kings in a custom mix with H 4831-SC and Rem. Lrg Rifle Primers. It pushes that bad boy down range at around 3,400 fps and puts them all in the same hole, litterally, 1/4" groups at a 100 yrds.
Furthest kills to date:
Coyote at 500
WT Deer at 594
Javalina at 650 (thats as far as I am comfertable shooting).
 
Your talking about apples and oranges here. It's like comparing the 308 Winchester to the 300 Weatherby magnum. The 264 Win mag is an extremely high performance round with, depending upon the bullet weight, velocities between 3200 fps and 3900 fps.

The 260 Remington with velocities in the 2500 to 2700 fps range is in an entirely different catagory.

The 260 Remington is an ideal medium range deer and varmint rifle where the 264 Win mag is a superior long range big game rifle.

I'd sure suggest you do some research such as checking some of Chuck Hawks articles on both calibers and look at several different reloading manuals. That would give you a better idea of how far apart on the shooting spectrum these two cartridges are.
 
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Have you had any problems out of the V-max bullets?
I tried them in my 260 and about half would vaporize before getting far down range. Just figured the velocity was too high for the bullet construction.
 
Wow IDBob, why don't you just say the 260 is about the same as a 30-30?

They are two different animals, but not that much.

The 260 Rem doesn't need the "magnum" moniker to do its job well.

Mine must be exceptional, it shoots 85gr.Sierras @3160 fps and will send 120gr.Sierras @2940 fps.

I've never run a 264WM, can't comment on it.

Clayman
 
Both cartridges are the same caliber.... 6MM/.264" The cartridges are different.

The 260 Rem gives excellent performance with the lighter weight 6/5MM (.264") bullets while the 264WM is better suited to 140 grain and heavier bullets.

Because of the differences, the 264WM uses a lot more powder and kicks pretty good in most sporter weight rifles while the 260 Rem is very kind to smaller framed shooters.

They are both excellent cartridges in the 6.5MM/.264" bore diameter.

JMO - BCB
 
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I use 95 gr V-Maxes at 3600 fps... they leave a real mess.

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Have you had any problems out of the V-max bullets?
I tried them in my 260 and about half would vaporize before getting far down range. Just figured the velocity was too high for the bullet construction.



No. I was worried about that too... but none have vaporized yet. 3600 fps is NOT a maximum load, so maybe if I drove them faster, they wouldn't survive, but I am keeping the loads light for barrel life.

What twist do you have.


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I've run the 95 gr. v-max out of a 260 @ 3400 fps...I know I was impressed, considering the small stature of the case its launched with. That was a 26" bbl. Rem. 700. I still don't need one, but for a mild recoil cartridge, it could do fine on coyotes and deer.
 
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Wow IDBob, why don't you just say the 260 is about the same as a 30-30?

They are two different animals, but not that much.

The 260 Rem doesn't need the "magnum" moniker to do its job well.

Mine must be exceptional, it shoots 85gr.Sierras @3160 fps and will send 120gr.Sierras @2940 fps.

I've never run a 264WM, can't comment on it.

Clayman



Nothing wrong with either cartridge and yes the 260 does well withing it's design perimeters, but here's some comparisons from Speers #13 manual.

The top load with a 140 grain Grand Slam bullet in the 260 Remington with Re 19 is 45.5 grains for 2731 fps.

The top load with a 140 grain Grand Slam in the 264 with 73 grains of H 870 is 3130 fps. Thats almost 400 fps difference.

The top posted load with 120 grain Speer bullets for the 260 is with 48 grains of Re 19 for 2950 fps.

The top posted load with the 264 with 120 grain Speer bullets is with 76 grains of H870 for 3300 fps. This is 350 fps difference and a whale of a difference at long range.

I've checked several other manuals and would suggest that your loading pretty hot for the 260, but lots of us do that. I wouldn't suggest folks load that hot, but I've got a couple of guns with chambers that don't show pressure signs with loads over posted loads.

All in all most manuals show 300 to 400 fps difference between the 260 Remington and the 264 Win mag. That's a lot of difference and a bunch of difference in performance downrange.

I really think they are that much different, no offense meant, but a 30-30 comparison certainly isn't appropriate, but I'll stick to the 308 to the 300 Weatherby comparison.
 
I have no idea about either, I shoot a 6.5 gibbs, the most I've gotten from it is 3410 with a 140 gr. I do know the 6.5 dia is an awesome caliber, and a faster twist really enhances the terminal ballistics.
I guess the cartridge you choose depends on what ya wanna do with it, fur friendly on coyotes with a 6.5 dia would probably be just an entrance and minimal exit hole, prolly a controlled expansion like the 130 accubond would be best for that.
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Never did chronograph the load but it was a real light load. The couple that did make it all the way down range did a number on prairie dogs.

After that one try I gave up on them in the 260 but used up the rest of the box in my 6.5 Grendel. They worked great thru it.
 
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Never did chronograph the load but it was a real light load. The couple that did make it all the way down range did a number on prairie dogs.

After that one try I gave up on them in the 260 but used up the rest of the box in my 6.5 Grendel. They worked great thru it.



I have a 9" twist in my Sendero SF-II. That might make the difference... or your rifling might be deeper... or both.

I have come to like the rig a lot... the time between ranging with a laser, then dialing in the range elevation on the scope, and firing is about 4 to 5 seconds.

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I have the 264 Win Mag chambered in a 25.5 inch Montana barrel, 1&9 twist and LH Montana 1999 action. My rifle loves the 120 gr NOSLER BT with Rel 25. Comparing the 264 WM with the 260 isn't really fair. Both are great cal's but the 264 WM is way ahead of the 260 . I believe both would make good coyote rifles but would lean toward the 260 due to muzzle blast and barrel life. Just split the difference and build you a 6.5-06, then you will have the best of both worlds. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
If I ever have another custom made rifle it will be the 264WM.... AS someone stated earlier, it's an incredible long range rifle. To this date, it is in the top 3 flattest shooting calibers made. It use to be known as a barrel burner. Barrels now are made with much different metals, now that it's just like any other mag. I have shot just about everything with it. Coyotes to Moose. I have it in a Savage mdl 110.

Remington just released a limited edition of it in the Sandero model. NICE NICE NICE. If you were shooting long range coyotes, the pelt damage really isnt that bad. I shot one 2 years ago with mine at 379 yds. Exit wound was about the size of a quarter. Not too bad. If you don't hit bone and shoot for behind the shoulder; out to 200 yds it really doesn't do much of anything. Bullet is moving too fast. That is my experience with it on deer. It has actually cost me deer because of that. Didn't have time to expand and just zipped rite thru em.

Long story short... 140gr Rem PSP... Perfect and overall my favorite caliber.

Pete
 
I would have to agree on the .260 as no comparison to the .264. You are talking about a 7 mag case necked to make the .264, long action, and plenty of powder. Barrel life is not going to be as good either with the .264. For what you are looking at would say the .260 would be your best bet and if you don't reload don't think the selection of factory ammo is going to help you any either.
 
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