3 1/2 inch shotgun really neccissary?

Originally Posted By: Droptine26Maybe its my bowhunting mentality, but isn't it cheaper and more satisfying to work on your set-ups and calling ability to bring the animals we hunt in close for a sure kill, than to spend money on more gadgets and bigger guns just so you can shoot them at farther distances and possibly not make a killing shot?

so in that case we dont need rifles equiped for 300 yard shots because we should be able to get yotes in closer right?
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its all personal preference, and if someone wants to reach out and touch em, they can
 
Originally Posted By: davejohnson3so in that case we dont need rifles equiped for 300 yard shots because we should be able to get yotes in closer right?
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its all personal preference, and if someone wants to reach out and touch em, they can

I disagree. I love shotgunning for yotes, but because of the people that think they can stick a 3.5 inch dead coyote shell in a gun and kill a dog at 90 yards, lost coyotes are becoming all too common.

You want to shoot them at a distance, shoot them with a rifle, if you want to shoot them with a shotgun, get them within 40 yards.
 
i agree with you that SOME people get that mind set, i set a range well within my range and stick to it, however, it is nice to know that if it is hard to judge distance that i have those extra pellets on target should i be a few yards farther than i thought. i also like the knockdown power of them as well.
 
I'm learning here. More pellets means extra yardage? Do the added pellets fly farther than the rest of the pellets or does the extra pellets make them ALL fly further?


Chupa
 
I'm learning here also... 60 yard coyote kills with #6 lead turkey loads - amazing stuff right there.
 
chupa i know you get immense satisfaction from putting me down and picking apart my posts, more pellets in a load=more pellets on target (if you hit the target
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), it does not make them fly further, it simply makes a denser pattern, i think anyone with a 2nd grade education knows that. and no, i do not use #6 shot at 60 yards for yotes, i use it for turkeys. the op asked in general and i was using turkeys as an example. how about instead of following me around and picking at my posts chupa you do something else?
 
davej3,
I know you didn't mention me, but did sorta mention my post about 60 yard coyotes with #6's. For clarity I was referencing another post further up the line. However I will say this for discussion, a .10 gauge will usually out pattern a 3 1/2" .12 gauge handily and if I were truly looking for the absolute best performing long distance shotgun load, and didn't mind the weight and bulk, the 10 gauge would easily be the first choice for me personally. Since I do mind the weight and bulk and can get all the performance I need from a handier 3" .12 gauge, that is an easy choice for me.
 
Dave, I didn't even notice that it was you to be honest. You think I am reading what I want into your posts? Do you think that maybe you did the same with my posts in the other thread? The fact is that anyone can read anything into a post that they wish, twisting it to suit there argument. I have a 2nd grade education, plus an additional 15, surprisingly enough they weren't all in the same grade either lol. The truth is that I harbor no ill will against you, however you saw or read something that set your shorts to wrinkle and think I'm out to get you. Not true at all.

I'm no expert at much, just ask the fella who just posted above you(GC). He has helped me immensely in the wonderful world of shotguns, just not my area of expertise. But that is why I pick his brain. I would be glad/honored to help you with anything if I felt like I could. I'm not out to get you.

Lastly, you will come to recognize my odd sense of humor....or you'll put me on your "ignore list". I say "recognize" because if you try and figure it out, you'll wind up in the loony bin.


Take care bro
Chupa
 
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Originally Posted By: GCdavej3,
I know you didn't mention me, but did sorta mention my post about 60 yard coyotes with #6's. For clarity I was referencing another post further up the line. However I will say this for discussion, a .10 gauge will usually out pattern a 3 1/2" .12 gauge handily and if I were truly looking for the absolute best performing long distance shotgun load, and didn't mind the weight and bulk, the 10 gauge would easily be the first choice for me personally. Since I do mind the weight and bulk and can get all the performance I need from a handier 3" .12 gauge, that is an easy choice for me.

yeah i know, i was just making myself clear incase anyone thought that i was intending using #6 out to 60 yards on yotes, i was just talking about turkeys. the reason i think my 835 patterns so good with the 3.5" shells is because of its over bored barrel (basically a 10 gauge barrel on a 12 gauge) chuba, sorry if i misunderstood you, i am just a simple farmboy that really doesnt have a very complex sense of humor,lol, but i do have some killer hunting spots
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Originally Posted By: davejohnson3 chuba, sorry if i misunderstood you, i am just a simple farmboy that really doesnt have a very complex sense of humor,lol, but i do have some killer hunting spots
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Don't sweat it for a second man. The intent wasn't there, but if I ruffled your feathers as well, then I apologize to.

Truth be told, you being a turkey hunter, you probably know more about shotty's than I do. Never been good with one.....I know, it doesn't make sense, but little about me does.

Just because we kissed and made up doesn't mean that I won't poke fun at ya from time to time, but it's all in fun...and I expect it in return.


Chupa
 
i also havent shot a coyote at 60 yards if you were refering to me
i only stated that at 58 yards the pattern i shot on the target

i dont really dont know what my effective range would be on my gun for stopping power on a yote not really sure of the power it retains out at range im guessing 40 is going to tops for my guns on coyotes maybe 45 on fox
 
Originally Posted By: ChupathingyOriginally Posted By: davejohnson3 chuba, sorry if i misunderstood you, i am just a simple farmboy that really doesnt have a very complex sense of humor,lol, but i do have some killer hunting spots
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Don't sweat it for a second man. The intent wasn't there, but if I ruffled your feathers as well, then I apologize to.

Truth be told, you being a turkey hunter, you probably know more about shotty's than I do. Never been good with one.....I know, it doesn't make sense, but little about me does.

Just because we kissed and made up doesn't mean that I won't poke fun at ya from time to time, but it's all in fun...and I expect it in return.


Chupa

ok sounds like a plan
 
Originally Posted By: bigbird243I have a Beretta Xtrema 3.5 I bought for turkeys. 3.5 inch Winchester XX 2 1/4 oz. of 6's has taken turkeys drop dead at 70 yards, and coyotes with authority at 60 yards on more than one occasion. I think the main problems with most guns it choke constriction, seems like you need to know voodoo to get some guns to shoot good.

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Originally Posted By: GCOriginally Posted By: bigbird243I have a Beretta Xtrema 3.5 I bought for turkeys. 3.5 inch Winchester XX 2 1/4 oz. of 6's has taken turkeys drop dead at 70 yards, and coyotes with authority at 60 yards on more than one occasion. I think the main problems with most guns it choke constriction, seems like you need to know voodoo to get some guns to shoot good.

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seems i cant read well lol
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i want that gun though
 
Originally Posted By: doggin coyotesAnd on more than one occasion! Maybe I need to drop down in shot size. Might be good to 65 yards with 8 shot.
yeah i got a beretta xtrema!!! 7/8 oz dove loads AND i can put 99% of those pellets in a 20 oz coke bottle at 81 paces!!!!! and still kill the elk standing behind my coke bottle at 110 yds! and thats only if i opened the shell and walked 81 steps and poured them in the bottle!!LOL
so no one gets mad, yes i have a beretta xtrema and i am poking a lil fun at the 60 yd coyote with NUMBER 6 SHOT, not saying it doesnt happen but find it hard to believe !!
but i have shot a number of turkeys with 4-6 shot at great distances and my findings are that all three shot sizes are really good to about 50 yds, when you get to 60+ i dont see 6 shot having enough energy to be effective. Yes you can kill them but im willing to bet you are doing a little monkey stomping when you get to those 70 yd birds!! alot of people dont realize how far 70 yds really is
And again , i am not saying it is impossible, just personlly believe it to be innefficient at 60+yds
 
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You can bullsheet the fans, but not the players. I've actually shot about a dozen coyotes with 2 ounces of number four's from Federal Premium Turkey Loads and a tight shooting Remington 870 3" .12 gauge and had troubles at half that range with coyotes. I gave that up as a bad idea and switched to Federal Premium No. Four BUCK and the problems went away. I've also used lead BB's (Federal Premium buffered, plated lead), Tungsten T's (Dead Coyote), and Tungsten BB's (Remington Wingmaster HD-BB) to good effect. I have a strong fondness for the HD-BB's above all others.
 
InOriginally Posted By: GCI've actually shot about a dozen coyotes with 2 ounces of number four's from Federal Premium turkey loads and a tight shooting Remington 870 3" .12 gauge and had troubles at half that range. I gave that up as a bad idea and switched to No. Four BUCK and the problems went away.
Yeah I'm sure gc.. I'm talking turkey!! Lol a coyote is a whole different beast when it comes to shot gunning. Several times I have considered taking the turkey gun and 3.5 turkey loads but didnt feel like outside of 25 yards that I could be effective for yotes
 
this topic just keeps coming up.

i don't understand why people find it hard to accept that the 3.5s are more likely to be more efficient at killing coyotes;
it comes down to:
-more pellets: SHOULD be a denser pattern
-more recoil: if it wasnt for adrenaline i wouldnt shoot 3.5s
-more money:

as far as 3.5s extending your range to 90 yds that's not really a fair statement, no one should be taking 90 yd shots with a shotgun shooting coyote loads.

and the shot material......well GC and i have beat that discussion to death...... neither of us are going to back off of our opinion. and that's ok. (#4 buck lead shot is BY FAR the best) LOL had to do it GC.
 
well..... i am currently listening to scott carlson on brian downs predator talkcast(older episode) and he said with all their data, that a 3.5 really has showed no improvement over a 3" because your trying to force more shot through a choke and in turn it causes more fliers and more holes in your pattern!! basically he said you will have less trouble getting a good pattern with 3" and might have to try alot more different loads in the 3.5 to get a satisfactorry pattern!! or at least thats what i got out of the poddcast!
 
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