300 BILLION DOLLARS
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300-$$$ Billion you say ? . .LOL ... Well Trump is kicking Obama regimes historic legacy once again. That tight ass Obama regime only endorsed and gave 1.7 Billion Cash to Iran .
just 1 Billion-$ is a Lot of Money, It's a number that has 9 Zero's trailing behind it . BUT... i think if my math correct ?? , If you had 300-Billion-$, and treated yourself to a new $120,000 top-shelf factory loaded 4x4 Diesel every year to go out and pop a few Coyotes . You can give that small tiny luxury to yourself for 2,500,000 years .
One can only hope those idiots don't do it ....but
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just 1 Billion-$ is a Lot of Money, It's a number that has 9 Zero's trailing behind it . BUT... i think if my math correct ?? , If you had 300-Billion-$, and treated yourself to a new $120,000 top-shelf factory loaded 4x4 Diesel every year to go out and pop a few Coyotes . You can give that small tiny luxury to yourself for 2,500,000 years .
One can only hope those idiots don't do it ....but
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Sounds like more BS. How many times do we have to be told crap like this that will obviously piss you off, only to find out it's not true?
Last I've seen was that a deal was tentatively agrred to but Trump had not signed off o0n it. And that info, while including a bunch of points, didn't havbe anything remotely like this in it
Could be some Iranians demanded it. That's not the same as us agreeing to it
I'll believe it if I see something credible
Last I've seen was that a deal was tentatively agrred to but Trump had not signed off o0n it. And that info, while including a bunch of points, didn't havbe anything remotely like this in it
Could be some Iranians demanded it. That's not the same as us agreeing to it
I'll believe it if I see something credible
Whether the $300 billion number is real almost feels beside the point. The world blames America for shutting down the Gulf, even if they understand why Iran did it. They may not like it, but they understand it. Meanwhile, we've spent months trying to get things flowing again through bombing campaigns, threats, and negotiations, and what do we have to show for it?
They are still not willing to give up their nuclear dust, and even if they signed a piece of paper tomorrow, does anyone honestly trust them to stick to it? Now they're demanding money for what we blew up while continuing to hold leverage over traffic through the Strait. If that's where this ends up, it's hard not to ask what exactly was accomplished.
What I keep coming back to is this: if the end result is a deal weaker than what was already on the table years ago, plus demands for money to rebuild, then how is that a win?
From Iran's perspective, time looks like an asset. The longer this drags out, the less likely bombing returns to previous levels as the appetite for escalation fades. Every week that passes is another week to rearm, reorganize, and adapt.
They're at home. Our forces are deployed halfway around the world. That's an advantage people don't talk about enough. At the end of the day, they go home. We keep paying the bill.
Maybe I'm wrong, but right now it feels less like we're gaining any leverage and more like we're negotiating our way back to what Trump tore up in the first place.
They are still not willing to give up their nuclear dust, and even if they signed a piece of paper tomorrow, does anyone honestly trust them to stick to it? Now they're demanding money for what we blew up while continuing to hold leverage over traffic through the Strait. If that's where this ends up, it's hard not to ask what exactly was accomplished.
What I keep coming back to is this: if the end result is a deal weaker than what was already on the table years ago, plus demands for money to rebuild, then how is that a win?
From Iran's perspective, time looks like an asset. The longer this drags out, the less likely bombing returns to previous levels as the appetite for escalation fades. Every week that passes is another week to rearm, reorganize, and adapt.
They're at home. Our forces are deployed halfway around the world. That's an advantage people don't talk about enough. At the end of the day, they go home. We keep paying the bill.
Maybe I'm wrong, but right now it feels less like we're gaining any leverage and more like we're negotiating our way back to what Trump tore up in the first place.
According to news this morning, DJT has rejected this request by the Iranians. It is important to realize this is Iranian frozen assets held by the US as opposed to US tax $$.This is true. I think one of the hardest part of this negotiations is it seems no one, not even the Iranians, know who is in charge in Iran, much like trying to hit a moving target.
Regime change is our best hope of Iran living up to any resulting treaty. While I'm as anxious as everyone else to see it come to an end, I have to remind myself that it has been about 90 days since the start of this operation. The 24 hour "news", often premature and even more frequently bordering on propaganda, which we are submerged in today, has influenced us all to expect instant gratification. As a comparison, we were involved in WWII about 45 months and Korea for 36 months.IndexFinger
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. The 300 Billion is beside the point, because Zero accountability of anyone in the Federal Gov., and of high influence of, is the point .
This --> is just my ranting opinion . US Presidents continually all come in, and they all quickly go away. Trump really not hat influential and responsible for very little of change both ' good or bad ' that we actually see. He will go and be replaced by another pretty quick, but the mechanical infrastructure, the machine of influence always remains constantly there controlling, growing, running the United States into the dirt . No One holding any position of high influence is ever held accountable and punished for Profiting-$$$ of their actions in this even when they are found out and made public their crimes committed . Hell No One even associated with death on a global scaled with our own Governments funding, manufacturing of COVID virus and global pandemic. While also profiting with one of, if not the the largest transfer of wealth to date done on this Planet manufacturing and distributing on a global scale Pharmaceutical experimental injections disguise as Vaccines of prevention, that did not prevent infection of, or even getting the Virus . No One is held accountable and punished for even USAID funding NGO's with years spending and washing hundreds of Billions in both domestic and in foreign global scale for covert activities, and foreign entities funding them to advance agendas that conflict with U.S. interests.
. ( So If ? ) .. there is another large transfer of wealth made like the proposed 300 Billion-$ to Iran , it's just Par for the Course, OUR money again will be transferred washed away with zero audit post delivery of actually where the $$$ went, and No One will actually held accountable. This entire United States population is premeditatively getting financially raped of All it's wealth, ' Trillions' forcibly paid into, all at the point of a gun is gone . You Got to ask ? Where did the Fed. Gov spent and wash the few Trillion revenue already collected this year ? the 5.25 Trillion fed. revenue collected last year ? Plus all the cumulative Trillions-$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$ collected annually in past years ? also where did the 40 Trillion the Federal Gov. manufacturing, appropriated and washed/spent go, that is now 'all our' in National Debt ?
LOL .. Also wake me up when the 535 voting members of US elected Congress that are Party subsidized-$ in their election and in their constant re-elation for lifetime political career position. Stop treating their elected positions as a business model for their Party enrichment, themself and family enrichment. Instead of holding their elected position working for the betterment of population and country .
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erm, the alleged $300 billion is exactly the point that started this thread.
If it doesn't exist there are a lot of people getting pissed off over nothing
If it doesn't exist there are a lot of people getting pissed off over nothing
I think in war you're either moving forward, moving backward, or stuck treading the same stale water.
This is true. I think one of the hardest part of this negotiations is it seems no one, not even the Iranians, know who is in charge in Iran, much like trying to hit a moving target.
What bothers me is that every day Iran is digging out, dispersing, replacing, and rebuilding. I'd be naive to believe parts, components, and even entire systems aren't still finding their way into the country while they continue hardening their defenses.
Meanwhile, what are we doing? We have ships and aircraft burning fuel, flight hours, maintenance cycles, equipment life, resources, and morale sitting in a constant strike-ready posture. Every day costs us something. Iran wakes up in its own bed.
How long can we realistically sustain that? Eventually deployments end, equipment needs major maintenance, and forces rotate home. Iran doesn't have that problem. The enemy is already home.
Despite what is said publicly, it seems obvious to me that Trump now understands exactly where this goes from here. He knows what the next targets are, and he knows how Iran would likely respond. Otherwise, why are we mostly shooting back when shot at instead of hitting the targets everyone knows are next?
Iran seems perfectly content with a slow, steady rate of fire. Not enough to force a major escalation, not enough to justify walking away, but just enough to keep us parked offshore burning resources while they rebuild, regroup, and reinforce.
People compare this to wars that lasted years. Maybe. But in those wars we were trying to occupy someone else's country. Here we're trying to pressure a government that goes home every night and wakes up surrounded by its own infrastructure, its own supply lines, and its own people.
The question isn't whether America can stay there.
The question is whether maintaining this posture is changing Iran's behavior faster than it is consuming our own time, equipment, and political will.
Because Iran doesn't have to defeat the United States.
They just have to outlast another deployment cycle.
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Iran doesnt want it to end. They know the impacts this is putting on the WORLD which is kind of crazy to think about. I think they want other countries to get pissed at us and attack.
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The chosen ones are not helping the situation.
I wonder if anyone over there has any idea who the chosen ones are? From the outside, looks like there are several "tribes" claiming to be the chosen ones, all going in different directions.
Granted, my vantage point is definitely not high ground, but looks like the only hope for a solution is regime change. Ya gotta know who is in charge to have any hopes of a workable agreement.
Granted, my vantage point is definitely not high ground, but looks like the only hope for a solution is regime change. Ya gotta know who is in charge to have any hopes of a workable agreement.
I've learned that when I'm butting heads with my better half, things usually go better when I stop and try to see things from her perspective. It doesn't mean I agree with her. It just helps me understand what's driving the disagreement.
With that in mind, imagine another country sent an armada into the Gulf of America, launched devastating strikes, demanded we surrender our weapons, threatened that our civilization would cease to exist, and restricted our sea-based imports and exports.
Would we call that diplomacy?
Or would we see it as a fight for our sovereignty and survival?
If that's how we would react, why should anyone else be expected to react differently?
Our focus is on gas prices, inflation, and the mid-terms. I don’t know who’s got the strongest will in all of this, or who’s the most stubborn… lol.
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