300 ultra mag vs 300 weatherby mag
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.. people tell me that the ultra mag is way to big and its way to slow for mule deer
The people that told you that were stupid and have absolutely no business making suggestions about guns to you. Just MHO.........
Yeah, what he said. It's not just his humble opinion, it's good sense.
A .300 ultra should be at least 100 fps faster in any given bullet weight.
Either one is a fine cartridge, either one will be very expensive ammo. Neither is necessary for muley's.
The ballistic advantage over a standard round is substantial, but you have to be a very good shooter to make use of it. An expert with a .30-06 will outshoot an average guy with a .300 mag of any type. A .30-06 will kill a deer as far as most have any business shooting at one. Also, recoil will make a flinching sissy out of you. It happens. A deer is not impressed by how fast the bullet that missed him was traveling.
So to answer the question, either is a good choice, the .300 ultra is slightly more powerful than the weatherby. I'd pick the .300 ultra because it doesn't have a belted case. Pick whichever tickles your fancy. Also look at the .300 Win mag, as ammo will be much more available and cheaper. Even if you reload, cases will be cheaper.
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.. people tell me that the ultra mag is way to big and its way to slow for mule deer
The people that told you that were stupid and have absolutely no business making suggestions about guns to you. Just MHO.........
Yeah, what he said. It's not just his humble opinion, it's good sense.
A .300 ultra should be at least 100 fps faster in any given bullet weight.
Either one is a fine cartridge, either one will be very expensive ammo. Neither is necessary for muley's.
The ballistic advantage over a standard round is substantial, but you have to be a very good shooter to make use of it. An expert with a .30-06 will outshoot an average guy with a .300 mag of any type. A .30-06 will kill a deer as far as most have any business shooting at one. Also, recoil will make a flinching sissy out of you. It happens. A deer is not impressed by how fast the bullet that missed him was traveling.
So to answer the question, either is a good choice, the .300 ultra is slightly more powerful than the weatherby. I'd pick the .300 ultra because it doesn't have a belted case. Pick whichever tickles your fancy. Also look at the .300 Win mag, as ammo will be much more available and cheaper. Even if you reload, cases will be cheaper.
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the ultra mag is way to big and its way to slow for mule deer
As the other posters have said, anyone who says that the Ultra Mag is too slow for mule deer has antlers for brains.
Either the .300 Wby or the Ultra are far more gun than needed for mulies. Also as others have said, more power is great if you shoot it accurately. A accurate hit with a .223 is infinitely better than a miss with a .460 Weatherby. Don
the ultra mag is way to big and its way to slow for mule deer
As the other posters have said, anyone who says that the Ultra Mag is too slow for mule deer has antlers for brains.
Either the .300 Wby or the Ultra are far more gun than needed for mulies. Also as others have said, more power is great if you shoot it accurately. A accurate hit with a .223 is infinitely better than a miss with a .460 Weatherby. Don
ruger243223
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I shoot whiteys here with my 338RUM so don't let anyone tell you what is a good caliber or what isn't. A 300RUM is a great cartridge with lots of downrange energy. I don't really think the recoil is that bad but I shoot my RUM alot. Now you can buy the managed recoil loads and it will simmer the recoil anyways but that isn't why you would by a 300RUM. Load up some 150gr TSXs or TTSXs and go to town. HAPPY HUNTING
SaltyDog
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.30 cal WBY or RUM are certainly not necessary for the Mullies but nice to have the extra punch for the Elk (IMO.. RUM or WBY is Prolly more gun than is needed 90% of the time.)
I have the .300wby Mountain Rifle from the Remington Custom shop and it is accuracy with the 150-156 gr bullets is impressive. My buddy has the .300 RUM (which I have shot quite a bit). Ammo for both is EXPENSIVE (factory or reloading) but the recoil from either does not promote a lot of bench shooting which helps keep the cost down. Be prepared to spend a bit more for the quality optics required to withstand the recoil.
But I think you are splitting hairs between these two fine calibers. I am not a ballistic techie but dont think YOU or the TARGET could tell any difference between the RUM or WBY. Both pack a punch well beyond what is needed in N. America, both have excellent balisitics, both have significant recoil and both are Expensive to shoot, with ammo for either not available at you avg Wally World.
Flip a coin or find the gun/setup/deal you like in either cal. and enjoy knowing you have enough gun for anything in N America (and 3/4 of Africa).
But be warned, both are cannons with significant recoil and Expensive to shoot.
I have the .300wby Mountain Rifle from the Remington Custom shop and it is accuracy with the 150-156 gr bullets is impressive. My buddy has the .300 RUM (which I have shot quite a bit). Ammo for both is EXPENSIVE (factory or reloading) but the recoil from either does not promote a lot of bench shooting which helps keep the cost down. Be prepared to spend a bit more for the quality optics required to withstand the recoil.
But I think you are splitting hairs between these two fine calibers. I am not a ballistic techie but dont think YOU or the TARGET could tell any difference between the RUM or WBY. Both pack a punch well beyond what is needed in N. America, both have excellent balisitics, both have significant recoil and both are Expensive to shoot, with ammo for either not available at you avg Wally World.
Flip a coin or find the gun/setup/deal you like in either cal. and enjoy knowing you have enough gun for anything in N America (and 3/4 of Africa).
But be warned, both are cannons with significant recoil and Expensive to shoot.
I assume your might be talking about a combination hunt like we have here so you be using one caliber for both elk/deer. I have both I've only used the 300RUM once took a bull with it and I'm thinking about taking it for a combination hunt this year. I've take afew elk/deer with the 300Wby also used a 7Wby,7Mag,300mag and 30-338mag.
I like both caliber.
I like both caliber.
Ridge Runner
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it depends what you want it to do. the BEE does an awesome job to any range, The RUM does a tad better so carrys up better at longer ranges. The BEE will suffice well to beyond 750 yards, ya plan on shooting farther the advantage goes to the RUM.
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Aroz
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An advantage of the 300 RUM is the power level loadings offered by Remington if you are going to shoot factory ammo. The lowest starts at 30-06 "power" and the next step is equivalent to 300 Win Mag ammo. The final step is the full power loading. If you're handloading I realize this point is moot, but if not you could get a bit more versatility out of your gun.
steve garrett
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both are for guys that feel the need to compensate for something a 300 mag is plenty for anyone especially now that we have ballistic turrets and quality mono metal bullets.
yotezapper
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Just get a 300 win mag and be done with it.
Dultimatpredator
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I purchased a 300 RUM the first year they came out just to be the kid on the block with newest toy. Its a great gun but collects dust sitting next to my 375 RUM /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I would take my 30-06' over it any day for any practical purpose. I plan on pulling it out of the safe this year and installing some smaller magnification on it and using it for whitetails downloading it to 06' velocities. Its way too much gun for most applications as far as I am concerned but nice to have in my bag of tricks.
CWeeks
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Either one is over kill for a muley. Better to be too big than too small if you are a good shooter. I never have understood all of hype for the 300's unless you are an awesome shooter and need a gun to carry distance an knock down. I am talking 600-1000 yards type of stuff. .308, .270 7mm, 30-06 would be plenty o' gun for either a muley or an elk out to 400-500 yards. They woun't cost as much to shoot and the recoil is easier to manage. JMO
But if you are dead set on one of those I would go with the 300 Bee.
But if you are dead set on one of those I would go with the 300 Bee.
In no way am I trying to discourage you from getting a magnum. Heck I have a 7wsm myself. But it aint necessary.
This country wasn't built on what was necessary.
I would someday like to own a .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer just because the name cracks me up. Every time. .22-378 Weatherby.
Actually, I should just get a .30-378 and call it a .300 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer. Ha.
So don't let any naysayers talk you out of what you want unless you don't really know what you want.
This country wasn't built on what was necessary.
I would someday like to own a .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer just because the name cracks me up. Every time. .22-378 Weatherby.
Actually, I should just get a .30-378 and call it a .300 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer. Ha.
So don't let any naysayers talk you out of what you want unless you don't really know what you want.
kyotekiller25
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I"ve had and shot both, more the 300 RUM then the WBY, but none the less, there both very very powerful cartridges and either will kill deer and elk a long long ways away, further then about 95% of people even care to shoot.
I had a rem 700 LSS in 300 RUM and shot it for a little over 2 years, shot the barrel out, put a little over 1200 rounds through it, mainly 200g AB's at 3200fps, and 210g vld's/210g wildcats at 3000fps. I had a few kills on deer and elk, furthest being 760 on a buck and 525 on a spike, 775 on a coyote, all bang flops. The cartridge is over kill in my opinion for 99% of hunting shots inside 500 yards. A standard 300 Win mag will do anything the RUM will out to sane hunting ranges, you'll never notice the difference and I doubt the animal will either. The rifle/cartridge was very accurate. With the factory sporter barrel, I had no problems wacking a 15" gong regularly at 1K. Had many many 4"-6" groups at 800 yards.
Then I had a 300 WBY in a vangaurd. The thing would shoot lights out at 100 yards with 180g nbt's at 3150, and 200g AB's at 3100fps, I"m talking 1/2" groups dang near everytime from a bench at 100 yards. However, when I tested those same loads at 400 yards off a bench, I was getting 6-8" groups. Totally unacceptable IMO. Usually a rifle/load that does 1/2" at 100 has no problem keeping 3/4-1 MOA at 400. I dont know what was up with this vanguard, but it was not a consistent LR shooter. For the kind of hunting I do, this is not acceptable accuracy so it was sold.
IMO, there at there best loaded with a 200g AB at 3100-3200fps. There is no animal that will know the difference. They have more then enough power to kill even elk out to 1K.
If it was me again, I would go with the standard 300 Win mag. It will do everything out to 800 yards the others will, with a lot less kick and expense, and a heckuva lot more barrel life.
I had a rem 700 LSS in 300 RUM and shot it for a little over 2 years, shot the barrel out, put a little over 1200 rounds through it, mainly 200g AB's at 3200fps, and 210g vld's/210g wildcats at 3000fps. I had a few kills on deer and elk, furthest being 760 on a buck and 525 on a spike, 775 on a coyote, all bang flops. The cartridge is over kill in my opinion for 99% of hunting shots inside 500 yards. A standard 300 Win mag will do anything the RUM will out to sane hunting ranges, you'll never notice the difference and I doubt the animal will either. The rifle/cartridge was very accurate. With the factory sporter barrel, I had no problems wacking a 15" gong regularly at 1K. Had many many 4"-6" groups at 800 yards.
Then I had a 300 WBY in a vangaurd. The thing would shoot lights out at 100 yards with 180g nbt's at 3150, and 200g AB's at 3100fps, I"m talking 1/2" groups dang near everytime from a bench at 100 yards. However, when I tested those same loads at 400 yards off a bench, I was getting 6-8" groups. Totally unacceptable IMO. Usually a rifle/load that does 1/2" at 100 has no problem keeping 3/4-1 MOA at 400. I dont know what was up with this vanguard, but it was not a consistent LR shooter. For the kind of hunting I do, this is not acceptable accuracy so it was sold.
IMO, there at there best loaded with a 200g AB at 3100-3200fps. There is no animal that will know the difference. They have more then enough power to kill even elk out to 1K.
If it was me again, I would go with the standard 300 Win mag. It will do everything out to 800 yards the others will, with a lot less kick and expense, and a heckuva lot more barrel life.
Arizonahunter
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Geez, if I can't take down a deer size animal at 300-350 yards with a 180 Barnes XLC at 2800 fps, then I need to get closer.
I only know one hunter that actually has made use of the additional reach a big 300 mag has to offer, and he actually practices at ranges from 300-500 yards, and that off a stable rest like prone. I'll shoot prairie dogs at those ranges but not a big game animal beyond 350. Now, if you are such a rifleman then go with either one. Which ever fits you the best becuase 100 fps won't make enough of a difference at 400-500 yds.
Oh, BTW I have seen my friends 300 Ultra shoot the factory Rem 180 Scirroco into 1/2" 3-shot groups at 100 yds.
I only know one hunter that actually has made use of the additional reach a big 300 mag has to offer, and he actually practices at ranges from 300-500 yards, and that off a stable rest like prone. I'll shoot prairie dogs at those ranges but not a big game animal beyond 350. Now, if you are such a rifleman then go with either one. Which ever fits you the best becuase 100 fps won't make enough of a difference at 400-500 yds.
Oh, BTW I have seen my friends 300 Ultra shoot the factory Rem 180 Scirroco into 1/2" 3-shot groups at 100 yds.
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I have both a 300 RUM and a 338 RUM. Piror to buying the RUM I did all of my elk hunting with a .270. Every fall I would hear my buddies brag about their .300 mag and how it was the ultimate elk, mule deer round. I killed a lot of elk with the old .270. But beginning in about 1995 we started bumping into Grizzly bears where I live. I decided after a particularly heart thumping encounter that ended well but was pretty dicey I needed to pack a bigger gun. Another local guy had a bad encounter with grizzly and shot it 3 times with a 300 mag and it still mauled him badly. Could this have happened with the RUM sure. But when I went looking for a big gun I bought a .338 RUM in a Rem 700. Out of the box it shot 3/4 inch groups. It was easy to reload and I liked the non belted case. Yes it does belt you, but when shooting elk I have never felt the recoil yet. My son fell in love with the .338 RUM and when he graduated HS I gave it to him and bought a .300 RUM to replace it. It is also a shooter 1/2 or less if I do my job. When I hunt elk I use the 180s not for long range shooting but more for knock down if I have a bad bear encounter. I still rely on pepper spray but I choose the RUM for more power in a bad situation. I believe the BEE will do the same. Here Rem ammo is easier to find. But I doubt I would own either RUM if I didn't reload. Also I enjoy pulling out one of those 300 RUM cartriges and setting it besides my buddies .300 mag cartridge and listening to them whine about over kill since their old .300 mag is no longer top of the heap.
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