40 & 50 yard Mossberg 835 patterns

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Hunting the thick woods with a rifle is not always the most convenient endeavor, enter the shotgun. I'm usually too lazy to carry 2 long guns around in the woods with me all day, but haven't quite had the confidence in my shotgun to give up the range advantage and ditch the rifle. This led me to the patterning board in an attempt to figure out what the old mossberg is really made of. I've made some half-effort attempts to establish some good patterns in the past, but never really put in the required effort to do a truly adequate test. I loaded up 20, 1 3/4 oz. 3" reloads and decided to pattern all of my chokes with 49 pellet F, a #4 buckshot blend (4-F, 28-4B, 7-BB), and a 90 BB load. All shot was BP nickel plated and all loads were buffered.

In all I shot 20 targets at 40 and 50 yards, chokes included Carlson's flush Mod, flush IM, flush Full, Mossberg extended Ulti-Full Turkey, and Carlson's Coyote choke. I started at 40 yards and worked from least constriction to most constriction. The shotgun's patterns tightened with more constriction, and I ended up with the best patterns from the Carlson's Coyote choke tube. I had the Aimpoint PRO mounted with a single low 30mm scope ring, which proved to be inadequate for the level of recoil involved and loosened up on me a couple times. I have since added an additional 30mm ring at the occular and hope this solves the problem.

Here are the best results of that punishing afternoon, the black circle is about 8 1/2" and was my point of aim, the blue circle is 10" and placed for maximum pellet density. paper is about 48" x 36":

This was a NP 49 pellet F load through the Carlson's Coyote at 40 yds.
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Here is the same 49F load and choke at 50 yards.
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This was the mainly NP #4Buck load with Carlson's Coyote choke at 40yds.
It's a real shame that i didn't shoot this shell at a coyote.
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Here is the same #4buck load at 50 yards.
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Lastly, a NP 90BB load out of the Carlson's Coyote choke at 50 yards.
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I have some more work to do with point of aim adjustments and shot to shot consistency and hope to follow up with some pictures of actual pattern inside true 10" point of aim at the same yardages. I did not chrono these loads, but they were supposed to be about 1250fps. They were definitely stout, and firing all 20 of them in one sitting was a challenge. If i can get a pretty consistent centering on point of aim, my confidence in the shotgun will increase quite a bit because in my opinion these seem to look pretty good out to 50 yards, particularly the larger shot.
 
Those patterns look pretty dang good to me!

Great post!

When I could use lead shot I really like the lead T shot it was big enough to do the job and gave me more pellets per shell. There should be close to 56 T shot lead pellets in a 1-3/4 oz load.
 
Originally Posted By: derbyacresbobThose patterns look pretty dang good to me!

Great post!


What he said

They all look pretty good to me, have confidence in that shotty and let em' have it.
 
Thanks for the feedback, Gents. I may have to get some lead T next order from BP, but it's going to take me a while to shoot this stuff up. I believe i've read every patterning/buckshot post on the entire internet at least once, and finally feel like i have an adequate 50 yard shotgun.... although i'm tempted to try one more choke of slightly tighter than the carlson's coyote
 
Give Indian Creek Chokes a look, they are very pricey...i have one on my 535 for turkey. Ive never patterned it on a board but it works well with 3" Longbeard XR #4
 
I happen to have an Indian Creek turkey choke I would sell. Unfortunately my neck and back can't handle the 3-1/2" shells anymore. It has about 5 shots through it. It does pattern better than my Kick's which patterns very well.
 
Originally Posted By: greengt88Give Indian Creek Chokes a look, they are very pricey...i have one on my 535 for turkey. Ive never patterned it on a board but it works well with 3" Longbeard XR #4



I would also give Indian Creek a look I know they make a great Turkey choke I have one in my Benelli SBE2 and use 3 1/2" longbeard with great results.

This is 40yrds
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^^Thats a [beeep] of a pattern....I knocked a gobbler over like a bowling pin 2yrs ago and it was 60+ yds.

I have complete faith in the indian creek black diamond strike i have.
 
Moss's Ulti Mag turkey choke .695 is fine for turkeys.But way to tight for buckshot on coyotes.I tried it years ago.At the time it was the only choke I had for it.Classic donut pattern.I called Moss CS and the guy I talked with said the Accumag Mod .750 was best for buckshot.
 
What barrel length are you guys using?

I have an older 835 with a "Slugster" barrel (24") with rifle sights. I also have an extra 18-1/2" riot gun barrel for it with a cylinder bore. I would like to pick up a barrel that is threaded for chokes and I am wondering what length would be best to get....

Thanks,

Mick
 
I bought the deer-turkey barrel combo in mossy oak camo.The turkey is 24" vent rib with the FO sights.The FO sights are ok but I added a receiver sight rail with Weavers Micro dot reflex sight.Deer barrel is also 24" with cantilever and Bushnell tube type red dot.With 4 buck Kicks BK .745 works best.With BB and smaller lead shot Kicks GT .680 gives tightest patterns.
 
crazy how two of the same model shotgun can favor different ends of the choke spectrum. .745 is right around Modified i believe, and although my patterns were not terrible, they were not tight with that constriction. the more constricting chokes definitely helped with all loads in my shotgun(BB,F,4B) although all loads were in the same wad, so not sure what effect that has, if any. too many more choke tubes for the 835 and i'll be able to justify buying a 935 just to have another shotgun to share the choke tubes with....
 
My mossburg 500 choke for coyotes is a .660 Hastings Ported, patterns with #4 buck are awesome to say the least, about 20-24" at 40 yards...meat grinder. I use a more open choke for close quarters.

Shotguns are very different in how they pattern. GC can probably tell you more about which shotguns will pattern better, and the example that I gave may be a fluke, but it repeats day in and day out.

When I get a shotgun, I start from scratch on my patterning, I assume nothing from the shotgun or how a particular choke performed in another shotgun.
 
I have just read the entire 90 page shotgun choke/patterning thread.....whew! I am now thinking that having my "Slugster" barrel threaded for chokes would be a good (And inexpensive) way to go and then finding the appropriate choke(s) for it....
 


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