40gr vs 50-55??? In the 223!

Originally Posted By: pahntr760Why don't you answer the question?

Because he can't... he is all BS

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Two times other than the one Shawn shot. I'm sure that won't be enough for you but I don't spend a lot of time shooting groups at 100yds. If that disqualifies my statement my .223 shoots .1's, Ok with me.
 
Sounds fine. 3 groups in the life of the rifle do not define it. I only own factory rifles, tweaked a bit with replacement stocks and such. They all shoot, consistently Sub-MOA. I have shot .2s with em, at times...but that does not make them a .2 rifle.

Maybe, just maybe if you said 1/2 of the time it was .1 groups, that may fly. But it isn't, and don't go boasting as such.

As you said in an earlier post, it is easy to shoot .1s with a 223@/100. Well, then, if it was so easy, why has it only been achieved 3 times?
 
Have you spent a lot of time shooting 100yd groups? I don't know about you but it's not that much fun and isn't really the high light of my life. I don't see much point in doing it on a regular basis after you've done it a couple times. Shooting "stuff", rocks more often than not, at varying distances up in the mtns. is more fun, to me at least. If I don't spend enough time shooting 100yd groups to satisfy you and that negates my claim, ok, no big deal to me.
 
Originally Posted By: tuneredOriginally Posted By: B23 Shoots them into the .1's @/100 with little effort

Shoots them into the .1's @/100 with little effort

You are one [beeep] of a shot or a BSer complete with a pc.

".1'" He must mean 1/10th of a foot which is 1.2"......
 
Originally Posted By: B23Have you spent a lot of time shooting 100yd groups? I don't know about you but it's not that much fun and isn't really the high light of my life. I don't see much point in doing it on a regular basis after you've done it a couple times. Shooting "stuff", rocks more often than not, at varying distances up in the mtns. is more fun, to me at least. If I don't spend enough time shooting 100yd groups to satisfy you and that negates my claim, ok, no big deal to me.

No bud, you are not getting it. If it shoots .1 then post pics, otherwise BS. This I have got see because you are obviously you are the best marksman on this site and we are 41,000 strong. So otherwise, put up or shut up. Simple enough.
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Originally Posted By: B23Have you spent a lot of time shooting 100yd groups? I don't know about you but it's not that much fun and isn't really the high light of my life. I don't see much point in doing it on a regular basis after you've done it a couple times. Shooting "stuff", rocks more often than not, at varying distances up in the mtns. is more fun, to me at least. If I don't spend enough time shooting 100yd groups to satisfy you and that negates my claim, ok, no big deal to me.

I do spend time at the range. On paper and on steel. If you don't shoot plenty of paper, you're short changing yourself. Shoot "stuff" will only tell you part of the story.

I like how you keep posting an exit clause in your post, it's amusing.
 
Originally Posted By: BOWLSEYEThe last coyote I shot with 40 grain v-max was ugly. Dead center hit in the side and blew it's guts out but did not kill the dog right away. I shot it a second time in the same spot while it was spinning and than it ran about 100 yards before dropping. I "will not" put an animal through that again.
So you gut shot a coyote, twice, and you were disappointed in the results?? Try shooting them in the vitals instead of the intestines... Don't blame the bullet.
 
The finest world class BR shooters in the world, with the the best equipment in the world can not consistently shoot .1" groups.

That makes it hard to believe that somebody who is not in national competition does it.

Jack
 
Originally Posted By: Jack RobertsThe finest world class BR shooters in the world, with the the best equipment in the world can not consistently shoot .1" groups.

That makes it hard to believe that somebody who is not in national competition does it.

Jack

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.... especially if they don't shoot at 100 yds very often.


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He has being shooting on the XBOX 360 Black OPS range. About the only trigger he gets. Next he will be sayin thats all with Varget. He probably could with a blowgun with all the air he is pushin.
 
Originally Posted By: Ridgeline17He has being shooting on the XBOX 360 Black OPS range. About the only trigger he gets. Next he will be sayin thats all with Varget. He probably could with a blowgun with all the air he is pushin.


Whats wrong with Varget???
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Dirty Dog you can keep shooting those 40 v-max. I never had any other bullet perform that way, gut shot, head shot, or vital shot. Could have been a fluke. I think a person should use what the know works and if that is the 40's for you keep on using them. If I am going to use something that small I'll just take the 204 along and keep the 40's for the Prairie dogs. You are right that shot placement is key. Coyotes can be tough and I shot them in heart/lungs with a 100 grain bullet with a golf ball size hole pumping blood like a gas pump and they spun for 15 feet before going down.
 
I dont know why you are all giving B23 such a hard time for. Every 223 I have will shoot .224 one shot groups if I do my part. That is measuring outside to outside though, none of this total minus the bullet diameter. Sheesh, you guys need to learn how to properly shoot consistantly good groups. ;-)
 
Sorry about all that Jay, my recommendation would be 55 gr. but then again I've never loaded up 40 grain, all I have ever used is 55 gr, so it may be a biased opinion.

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25 gr IMR8208XBR
55 gr Varmageddon

It won't shoot .1/100 but it will flat tear a crow up and yotes don't like it either.
 
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After CatShooters write up of the 55 BK vs the 53 VMax, I'm leaning towards the 55 BK. unless the 53 VMax just shoots better...but I have always had great luck with Sierra bullets.

And, IMO, the 40 gr pills are for small critters...rabbits, PDogs and such. I don't think I would like em for coyotes.
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760And, IMO, the 40 gr pills are for small critters...rabbits, PDogs and such. I don't think I would like em for coyotes.

Maybe for the vmax, but I've killed quite a few coyotes with the 40 grain Ballistic Tips out of a 22 Dasher at 4200 with nary a problem.
 
Originally Posted By: alfOriginally Posted By: pahntr760And, IMO, the 40 gr pills are for small critters...rabbits, PDogs and such. I don't think I would like em for coyotes.

Maybe for the vmax, but I've killed quite a few coyotes with the 40 grain Ballistic Tips out of a 22 Dasher at 4200 with nary a problem.

I think the 4200 vs 3600 may be the difference. That's also why I said, IMO.
 
I like the 40g vmax out to 400. Shoots halfway flat (still a 223 haha) and hits plenty hard for dogs. I like the splat factor they give as well up close on the smaller stuff...I shoot them at 3800fps and consistant 1/2 MOA. I too debated on the 50s and 55s but the low velocity and not very flat shooting was a no brainer. My accurate 55g NBT loads are only doing 3150fps...There is not a lot of difference if any between the two out to 400 yards, and the 40g is considerably flatter shooting and will give more splat factor, its also more of a truck rifle so the flat shooting capability of the 40 is a bonus when you dont have time to rangefind... Not worried about the 40g vmax on dogs, put that bullet in the chest/shoulder and youll have the dog everytime. I do not like the 40g vmax in a 22-250 or a swift for dogs however, that extra 400-600fps makes a difference in way they act, and they are risky because they seriously lack the penetration when being pushed that fast.

Shot quite a few dogs with 40g vmax in my 222 at 3500fps out to 350 yards over the years with only 1 that got away, and that was a bad hit on my part because he was running. I either gut shot or texas heart shot him and never did catch up with that one. However, any shoulder/chest hit, bang flop 90% of the time.
 
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