.45-70 recoil?

Thanks everyone. I never notice recoils when I am hunting, unless it is the lack of recoil. It is strange, my 30-30 kicks so mildly that it always registers in my mind when I shoot it that something is wrong.

Based on pure numbers on paper, the .444 is a better round, but no one that I can tell is making it anymore in a repeater.
 
Factory loads for the 45 are a hoot. Big boom, gentle push. Ive also done thebother end of the scale, pull the trigger and you'll want to cry. As long as your rifle will handle them, there is a huge spread in recoil.
 
If you handload the 300 grain Barnes Original bullets work quite well on deer and hogs, and the recoil is not bad at all. So far everything I have shot with them dropped within sight. Reloader 7 or IMR 4198 are my go to powders for the Marlin 45/70. If you go with the .444 I highly recommend the Hornady 265 grain bullet.
 
Thanks everyone. If the reg changes pass, I'll probably end up with the .45-70. I like popular cartridges that would be easy to load for. On paper the .444 would be a better deer cartridge, but I fear it being obscure and hard to feed.
 
Ya I am having trouble finding brass for my 444, but I did order 200 Hornady 265gr. #4300 bullets from Midway for $33.99 per 100. I have 100 Remington Nickel brass for my gun, and have managed not to loose more than 3 in the last 8 years. I use 42.0gr. charge of H-4198 for a chrono speed of 2110fps and 5 shots all touching at 100 yards. Keep us informed on what you buy and how you like the big bore. Register on MarlinOwners and start reading up, I am Riflemann444 over there.
 
Originally Posted By: Yoteless in OhioOriginally Posted By: unloadedIf your 20g bolt gun is a Savage I don't know why you'd bother switching, unless it would make your gun season longer.

Pretty simple really. My savage 220 is only mine when my wife is not afield. She prefers it over her slug gun, which is a youth model and I have a hard time using, as for the other reasons....

1. One gun for both wv and oh, where I hunt.
2. Ammo is MUCH cheaper than the slugs I use, allowing me to actually practice, not site it in and hang it up.
3. Hand loading.
4. 100 more yards in range.
5. Accuracy improvements.

However, depending on the list of calibers that are legal, it may not make any sense,


I'd pick up another 220 I have one and it's way more accurate than my long gone guide gun and my 220 has more energy using 3" remington acutips.
 
Originally Posted By: DultimatpredatorOriginally Posted By: Yoteless in OhioOriginally Posted By: unloadedIf your 20g bolt gun is a Savage I don't know why you'd bother switching, unless it would make your gun season longer.

Pretty simple really. My savage 220 is only mine when my wife is not afield. She prefers it over her slug gun, which is a youth model and I have a hard time using, as for the other reasons....

1. One gun for both wv and oh, where I hunt.
2. Ammo is MUCH cheaper than the slugs I use, allowing me to actually practice, not site it in and hang it up.
3. Hand loading.
4. 100 more yards in range.
5. Accuracy improvements.H

However, depending on the list of calibers that are legal, it may not make any sense,


I'd pick up another 220 I have one and it's way more accurate than my long gone guide gun and my 220 has more energy using 3" remington acutips.

I like my 220 well enough but I am thinking you have had better luck with your them I have had with mine. I spent $120 one day with 8 different slugs to get one that would print less than 3 inches at 50 yards. It also has feeding issues. Returned to the factory and it is improve but not perfect.

I use winchester platimpnum tips. The 45-70 will easily be more effective at longer range than that round. Right now i am limited to about 125 yards. Being able to hand load is very attractive to me from a cost standpoint. Plus, I will use the pcr in WV if it works to 200 yards and have one gun for both seasons.

I own four slug guns and only one is worth a darn. I am over the slug gun.
 
Originally Posted By: RiflemannYa I am having trouble finding brass for my 444, but I did order 200 Hornady 265gr. #4300 bullets from Midway for $33.99 per 100. I have 100 Remington Nickel brass for my gun, and have managed not to loose more than 3 in the last 8 years. I use 42.0gr. charge of H-4198 for a chrono speed of 2110fps and 5 shots all touching at 100 yards. Keep us informed on what you buy and how you like the big bore. Register on MarlinOwners and start reading up, I am Riflemann444 over there.

Thanks rifleman, as usual you are a great help. I joined the other forum. I am kevin 336 there.
 


Find a round that does not scare you.
I live in Ohio also part of the email I got was this.

Proposed hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson.

I would be shooting my 38-55 1885 Winchester if it passes. I may have to try my Ruger 96/44 for brush.
 
My wife is 5'3" and 125lbs. She shoots a Marlin 1895 Stainless Guide Gun in .45-70 with the Hornady 325grn Leverevolution FTX's, and says the recoil "is like butter".

The Hornady load leaves the short barrel on this rifle at 1795fps. I have hand rolled some hotter loads for it that get up in the 2100-2200fps ballpark, but recoil gets stiff, and for what it's worth, there ain't anything wrong with the factory fodder.

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This is the buck I shot a few years ago with this rifle and the Hornady load. 250yrds on the nose, 30" of drop to account for. Had a simple Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40mm scope on it back then, replaced it with the Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40mm scope that's on it in the pic above.

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He ran a few yards, jumped a fence, and crumpled. Here's the recovered bullet, found outside the ribs and under the skin on the far side.

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So I'd highly recommend the .45-70, and highly recommend the Hornady load.
 
I hope ohio allows pcrs for hunting. I quit using my slug gun a few years back. Love using the inline smoke poll but just have to carry around so much for reloading and not exactly fast if you need a follow up shot.
 
Originally Posted By: Yoteless in OhioOriginally Posted By: DultimatpredatorOriginally Posted By: Yoteless in OhioOriginally Posted By: unloadedIf your 20g bolt gun is a Savage I don't know why you'd bother switching, unless it would make your gun season longer.

Pretty simple really. My savage 220 is only mine when my wife is not afield. She prefers it over her slug gun, which is a youth model and I have a hard time using, as for the other reasons....

1. One gun for both wv and oh, where I hunt.
2. Ammo is MUCH cheaper than the slugs I use, allowing me to actually practice, not site it in and hang it up.
3. Hand loading.
4. 100 more yards in range.
5. Accuracy improvements.H

However, depending on the list of calibers that are legal, it may not make any sense,


I'd pick up another 220 I have one and it's way more accurate than my long gone guide gun and my 220 has more energy using 3" remington acutips.

I like my 220 well enough but I am thinking you have had better luck with your them I have had with mine. I spent $120 one day with 8 different slugs to get one that would print less than 3 inches at 50 yards. It also has feeding issues. Returned to the factory and it is improve but not perfect.

I use winchester platimpnum tips. The 45-70 will easily be more effective at longer range than that round. Right now i am limited to about 125 yards. Being able to hand load is very attractive to me from a cost standpoint. Plus, I will use the pcr in WV if it works to 200 yards and have one gun for both seasons.

I own four slug guns and only one is worth a darn. I am over the slug gun.

If you check out some of my old posts I posted a pic of a 3 shot group all touching at a hundred yards. It will consistently shoot under 1" groups for me with 3" accu tips. Take for granted I did bed the stock.
 
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