5.56/.223 Do I need a longer barrel?

Originally Posted By: NonnieselmanA consistent 1.5 MOA rifle at 300 yards is still plenty for a coyote.
That's only 2.3" radius from aiming point. Coyotes are what 7" top to bottom?

Those are good points to consider. I would agree that anything around an inch will get it done. Going to be harder the more it opens up at distance.
 
Originally Posted By: mcseal2Originally Posted By: AKBmanYeah, I get the accuracy bit, the added velocity just means less drop. Looking at scopes now.

Just an FYI I was looking at scopes a bit for my 20" AR. While I'd like to try a Burris Eliminator III, the price is high enough I won't. I looked at the bullet drop info for the extra crosshairs on the Leupold Varmint Hunter and Burris Predator scope. My slower 223 load (55gr at 2964fps) didn't match up real well with either unless I went with a 100yd zero. I prefer a zero of at least 150yds so I can just hold center to 200yds without much rise or drop in between. I found that the Leupold B&C reticle designed for slower big game rounds, using the triangle for slower loads instead of the max power triangle, fits a 200yd zero with my load very well out to 400yds. A 3.5-10x Leupold or even a 4.5-14x for more open country might be a good scope to look at. It might fit hotter ammo in a shorter barreled gun well.

I run the Nikon Coyote Specials on most of my AR's now. 4-12x40 on my .308, I run a 2.5-10 on my 6.5, it has BDC's but a regular crosshair on it.

I think that you hit on the keys here. Whatever you put on has to shoot good on that gun in the conditions taht you are hunting in. I have seen a lot of guys buy one particular scope because someone recommended it and it just didn't work for what they were wanting it to do. I have a Millet on one of 6.5's and I love the clarity but it is a heavier scope, which I have to contend with while walking around.
 
16" barrel is just fine for coyotes out to 500 yards as long as the rifle is shooting 0.5" to 1.5" MOA and your red dot is 2 MOA. Adding barrel length to a poor shooting rifle probably won't help much but if your rifle shoots good, adding even 200 fps provides very little in the overall scheme of things. Myself, I wouldn't do it unless I was going to do a complete make over and that does run into some serious cash.

I don't shoot much at 400/500 yards at coyotes and when I do, the bullet usually evaporates prior to reaching the coyote.
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For the past year I was using the Burris XTR 1-8x24, which is a heavy brute - a couple weeks ago, I went back to the Aimpoint Micro with 2 MOA dot, seems much lighter and any coyote/fox coming within 40 to 300 yards usually goes to the fur buyer - those coyotes at 300 yards are sometimes hard to see, so if I miss, that is my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
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My AR with my reloads can shoot 0.750" @100 yards with 5-shot groups using either 55 or 77 grain bullets and it has a 16" barrel, JP Trigger, Aimpoint Micro 2moa sight, usually just 4 or 5 rounds in the 10-round mag and sometimes an Atlas bipod up front, if I've got good elevation and shooting from a prone or table position, otherwise that bipod stays in the rifle case. In that configuration, my AR feels good in my hands and is nicely balanced when plowing through high grass covered in snow. I should add I don't shoot many 5-shot groups measuring 0.750" at 100 yards with a red dot - when I'm working up a load I use a 32X scope with BR crosshairs and know for sure what my rifle and load is capable of - when I shoot baseball sized groups, I know the cause. The 32X scope is a boosted Leupold 24X - used it when I thought it would help my groups while competing in BR matches - I don't think the scope made any difference but it seemed logical to me at the time.

A good scope is nice but adds weight, which comes into play when wading through snow and you're a senior citizen. If young and no snow - by all means, go with a good (read fairly expensive) scope, a small rangefinder, decoy, e-caller and whatever comfort items you want to hump in and make a dozen set-ups in a day located a half mile from your vehicle.
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A couple things. Change the red dot out for a scope and with the scope spend your money on quality glass and don't get hung up on how high the power goes up to. Second is if you have a milspec trigger on it. Get a better trigger. It will help you at longer distances. And you don't need a 20in or longer barrel to extend your max range. What you were going to spend on you new upper spend it on ammo or reloading supplies and learn your gun.
 
I’m shooting the Leupold VX5 HD 3.5x15x44 on my AR with an 18” carbon fiber barrel. My rifle shoots the Hornady Superperformance 53 grain Vmax well under 1”. My Leupold has the CDS option and I just turned in all the info to Leupold to get my first free dial. Looking forward to seeing how the CDS works.
 
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