50gr Vmax range

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What do you guys think the max distance a 223 with 1/12 twist can reliably place a 50gr Vmax. The reason I ask is I have a 700 ADL varmint that I shoot in local competition at 100 yards. It will hold 1/2" groups at that distance with no issues. I am wanting to extend my reach and was wondering what you all thought. I lurk here alot but rarely post. Thanks for any input.
 
Put it this way I can hit a pdog at 876 yards with a 50g vmax in my .223 savage 1/9 twist bbl. I can also drop a coyte at 627 yards with the same load.
 
If your not shooting at a live target and there is little wind you should be able to hit 600 yds reliably. Won't have much energy left. Heck u could probably hit a 1000 yd target if you don't mind the rainbow trajectory.
 
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I been looking at the 1/7 twist savage thinking a heavy bullet would be better. My farthest range to shoot is about 500 to 600 yards depending on the time of year. I have never shot the 223 past 100 yards,but we shoot our deer rifles out to 400. Would a 1/9 twist be better than the 1/7 twist? The only live targets would be crows or maybe coyote now and then.
 
Originally Posted By: WhoCaresIf your not shooting at a live target and there is little wind you should be able to hit 600 yds reliably. Won't have much energy left. Heck u could probably hit a 1000 yd target if you don't mind the rainbow trajectory.

Not consistantly at all as the bullet at 223 velocitys would be subsonic and the transition would likely play [beeep] on which way the bullet wants to go. Yeah, maybe 1 in 50 might hit the target but not the right tool for that shooting.
 
Originally Posted By: 5spdPut it this way I can hit a pdog at 876 yards with a 50g vmax in my .223 savage 1/9 twist bbl. I can also drop a coyte at 627 yards with the same load.
How fast are those bullets starting to remain stable to almost 900yards?
 
Once I got them ranged in I shot four in five shots at 685 (two of them) 690 and 705 yards a couple of years ago using 50 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. No reason that could not have been done with the Vmax instead. All were DRT too.

Was a perfect day with no wind, 80 degrees and a lights out accurate 223 AI. That was a day that I will remember forever.
 
Originally Posted By: LWILLIAMSOriginally Posted By: 5spdPut it this way I can hit a pdog at 876 yards with a 50g vmax in my .223 savage 1/9 twist bbl. I can also drop a coyote at 627 yards with the same load.
How fast are those bullets starting to remain stable to almost 900yards?
They are at 3427 fps, when they do hit a pdog way out there they fall over in slo motion, like being hit by a 22 short, no high flyers.
I am usually pretty close on the 1st shot, but does take more than 1 round, unless I get awfull lucky but its fun & I dont do it very often at all.
The coyote spun about 4 times, got about 20 feet then fell dead whereas the one I shot w/my 6x45 dropped on the spot at 591 yards.
I dont do that very often either, but when they hang up I will dial up.
 
Originally Posted By: WhoCaresIf your not shooting at a live target and there is little wind you should be able to hit 600 yds reliably. Won't have much energy left. Heck u could probably hit a 1000 yd target if you don't mind the rainbow trajectory.

At 850 yards, the 50 V-Max from a 223, and a 175 Sierra MatchKing have the same trajectory, and at 1,000 yards, the 50 V-Max has only 10% more drop - so why is long range OK with the 308 and not OK with the 223 and 50gr V-Max?


Originally Posted By: LWILLIAMS

Not consistently at all as the bullet at 223 velocity would be subsonic and the transition would likely play helll on which way the bullet wants to go. Yeah, maybe 1 in 50 might hit the target but not the right tool for that shooting.


There is no problem with "subsonic" and "transitions"... these are myths passed on by guys that haven't shot at very long range.

There are a fair number of guys on this site that have whacked PD's at 1,000 yds and better with 223 class rifles, and 50gr plastic tipped bullets - all you gotta do is adjust for the (predictable) drop.


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thanks everyone for your replys. There won't be any 1000 yard shots done where I'm at. What is the largest grain bullet the 1/12 twist can stablize?
 
Most likely a 60 grain slug is about as heavy as you will be able to go.

Personally, I like the 1/12 twist as most times it will shoot anywhere from 40 to 60 grain bullets with equal accuracy.
 
Originally Posted By: brassheadWhat caliber is the rifle in your avitar?

That's a .223 AI. Just a older Savage 112 I put on an ER Shaw 1/14" twist .223 barrel on after I had it opened up to AI.

Other than a custom trigger and the barrel it is just as I bought it 10 years ago. Sure has killed its fair share of ground squirrels and prairie dogs.
 
"Trans-Sonic Instability" is a myth. If the projectile is stable at the muzzle, it will remain so through the duration of its flight.


Chupa
 
Originally Posted By: CatShooterOriginally Posted By: brassheadHow much better is the Ackley over the standard 223?

about 75 to 100 fps...


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That's pretty close for some loads but I have been known to hotrod mine a bit. I can get over 4000 fps with a 40 grain bullet. That's not a lot slower than I normally load my .220 Swift.

Most times I shoot a 50 grain bullet around 3650 FPS.
 
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