5MM Remington

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Again BCB i am sorry if you were offended, I publicly recognise that you offered to post a picture for 7wsm and i not so politely told you how you should take the pic for comparison. I did not consider the fact that you may be offened by that. I am sorry.



I decided to quote you on this so these words also don't magicaly disappear like they did yesterday through the forum's edit function if your mood changes.

I guess I should have done that yesterday too(with your 7:18 PM post), when you told me what you wanted me to do and how I was told to photograph the cartridges for your specific needs.

Oh well....live and learn about people and their character when confronted with the truth....if you don't like the truth....just change it so others not involved will see something else.

At least this time the original truth (your original words) won't be altered by you using the edit function.

-BCB
 
Have a picture folks, but nothing for comparison. The bullets pictured are the 30gr. Slick Silver HP and 32gr. Hornady VMax.
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The 5MM is a fine small vermin round, but will not compete with the other .204 caliber rounds. It definitely makes a descent showing against the 22 WMR and 17 HMR......in my opinion is a great reloadable round for small farm lot shooting.

Centerfire brass is available from Schroder(don't have his phone#) and is turned down from 22 hornet brass. Craig brass is cnc machined from stock and may be purchased on line from. Eagle View 5MM Craig Conversions .204 caliber bullets are produced by Hornady, Berger, Sierra, etc.
 
Quarter Round, darn good post!

I had a 5mm back in the 70's and it was a great little cartridge with a rifle that was ill conceived for it. The last hunt I made with mine was around 1980 in the New Mexico badlands very close to El Paso, Texas and I had to carry my cleaning rod with me (broken down) in my back pocket!!! I'd take a shot and then have to put the rod together and extract the cartridge! Needless to say, that hunt was the turning point for me and the old 591!

The .19 Cooper (.19 on Hornet case) has
received alot of praise and no doubt, rightfully so, but I think the Hornet case necked down to .20 makes better sense simply because of the availibility of good .20 bullets. Another thing that makes sense to me is to simply buy a .204 and load DOWN to .20 Hornet velocities OR 5mm Remington velocities. An NEF/H&R in .204 would be a very inexpensive alternative to looking/scrounging around for an original 5mm Rem. that had all kinds of extraction issues to deal with OR spending boo-koos amount of bucks for a .19 Cooper! I'm thinking this would be the way to go for a person who BELIEVES he'd be satisfied with one of these cartridges but still has never shot one and doesn't want to have to re-mortgage the house for the privelege of doing so! --- Mike
 
7wsm:

I'll just post the pictures here and I hope they give you a good idea of the size of the 5MM RF/CF cartridge.

Granted, the conversion might not be something that everyone would want to have, but it does make a nice little 100 yard plinker/varmint round that is a lot of fun to shoot. I like 20 caliber cartridges, so it fits very nicely at the bottom of my 20 caliber choices.

I bought my rifle and the Schoreder conversion in 1999, and in total, for the rifle, the bolt conversion, RCBS dies and shell holder, 150 rounds of brass and 200 bullets I spent just a shade over $400.

I checked with my home mortgage company about financing, but they recommended I just write a check or use a credit card to pay for the stuff. They felt it would be a lot cheaper for me doing it that way than refinancing my home.

First Picture:
25 grain 17 caliber HP, 32 grain 20 caliber V-Max, 5MM CF cartridges, 120 grain 25 caliber SP, 55 grain 22 caliber SP.



Second Picture:
Just like brokenaero wanted it done (I think...): 22 Mag on left, 22 Hornet on right.



HTH - BCB
 
A picture of the Schroeder CF bolt conversion in place on the bolt of my Remington 591 rifle.

The conversion bolt head piece comes with an exractor that is much better than the original Remington extractor.



-BCB
 
Since I'm posting pictures, here's one of the Model 591 Rifle. I lopped the barrel off just behind the ugly blade front sight and recrowned the barrel, and refinshed the plain walnut stock with French Red stock finish.



I also refinished the pistol grip cap on the stock. I removed all the old paint and clear finish which had yellowed. I then painted the entire surface with a white spray enamel and then took fine emory paper on a wood block and sanded away the paint to leave the indented lettering.



-BCB
 
Thanks for the pics BCB, and again, im sorry for comeing over as rude, that was not my intention. And you are right, i am surprised by how small it really is.

I like the idea of the Schroeder conversion over the Craig because i could just change bolt heads when i wanted. Is there a web site for him, or do i just call?
 
Bayou,

Thanks for the neat pictures! I agree with you wholeheartedly about .20! I love .20 in airguns (.20 pellets tend to be blessed with B.C.'s) and as I mentioned above, I had a 5mm Remington Magnum in the 70's. The cartridge was a winner in my opinion.
Bayou, what I was trying to get across was for the guy who never shot a 5mm but who was intrigued by the idea (of it). I can't think of a CHEAPER way to do that than buying a low-cost NEF/H&R single shot rifle in .204 Ruger and then reloading. I was also replying to the poster's reference to the .19 Hornet. From what I've heard, those guns do run pretty expensive. And to my thinking a .20 Hornet would be more practical and virtually the same in ballistics. Anyone wanting to know how a 5mm Remington Mag or .20 Hornet would shape out in the field could simply buy a .204 and reload.

Bayou, I have alot of respect for your knowledge of the .20. Sent quite a few threads to friends where you wrote about this caliber!

I also think the 5mm Craig is a GREAT idea for those who kept their 591/2's! Kind of makes me wish I had mine now!;0)
 
No harm, Mike.

I just decided to throw in the cost for anyone interested after your comment about refinancing the homestead, and I just added the last bit for a grin, maybe. Nothing intended on my part either.

I don't shoot mine as much as I used to, but it is really fun to shoot. Just like the RF round was back in the 1970's when I had one.

The first thing I ever shot with the Schroeder conversion was a jackrabbit sitting at about 80 yards. He pretty well came apart with the bullet impact. At the time I was shooting some of Schroeders 40 grain HP bullets in it, but I soon switched to the Hornady 33 grain V-Max and now the 32 grain V-Max.

They're lots of fun and the Schroedrer conversion is a way to shoot the rifle today, and me being an eternal optomist, maybe someday someone will re-introduce ammo for the rifles in RF, and if/when that happens, it's an easy switch back by just swapping bolt heads.

Take care. - BCB
 
I agree with you about bringing it back as a rim-fire! Heck, you can't hardly buy a centerfire rifle without having at least half a dozen cartridge choices! A rim-fire gets shot infinitely more than any centerfire so why shouldn't we have more choices?! A .20 rim-fire magnum doing anywhere from 350-400ft.lbs. would be great, especially with the bullets we have today! I'd definitely want a small game load though! That was one of the mistakes Remington make with its' 5mm. The .22 Mag was NOT quite the equal of the 5mm on varmints but it did have the full metal jacket for small game and that meant versatility (something dear to the hearts of many rimfire shooters). The way I see it, the .17HMR is the easiest rimfire cartridge to get "hits" out to 200 yards. It's better in the wind than a .22 Mag and does better in the wind too. The .22 Mag however hits harder (punch-wise) at any range. However, the .20 with V-Max bullets should outdo the .22 Mag in a big way for punch, outdo the .17HMR in the wind and be flat enough to make hits at 200 yards a do-able thing. I'm sure the .17HMR would still be a little flatter but not enough I believe to really matter. Kind of like a .220 Swift with 55gr. bullets vs. a .243 with 80gr. at 400 yards. The .22 will shoot flatter but the .243 shoots flat ENOUGH to make hits out at that range do-able and feasible!
Bayou, I thought it was interesting that even a 40gr. bullet at the lower 5mm Craig (compared to a .204 Ruger that the bullets were undoubtedly made for) velocities still were explosive on that jack! Let's people know what they could expect using a .204 (or Tactical) down at 400 and further yards. Also, it's reassuring to know that the lower velocities are not retarding expansion to any significant degree! Yeah, a .20 rimfire mag would indeed be great.
In the meantime, we are lucky to have the Craig conversion and the option of downloading the .204 Ruger (and Tactical).
 
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