6.5 Creedmoor lapua brass

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FairChase93

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Post over on snipershide this morning saying that Lapua was in fact going to be manufacturing 6.5 Creedmoor brass and a formal introduction will be at Shot Show 2017.

Seems like this gets discussed often but never actually happens. This time it's a Lapua rep who posted it so maybe it will happen??.......
 
I don't think they can ignore the popularity and the usefulness of the cartridge any longer. They will ship 10x more of it the first year than they will ship 260rem. Within 2-3 years they will have shipped more of it than 260rem ever. That's my prediction.

I'm going to order about 5000 pieces myself. I shoot 6.5CM, 6CM, and 22CM. Lapua will be a welcome addition.
 
Originally Posted By: orkanI don't think they can ignore the popularity and the usefulness of the cartridge any longer. They will ship 10x more of it the first year than they will ship 260rem. Within 2-3 years they will have shipped more of it than 260rem ever. That's my prediction.

I'm going to order about 5000 pieces myself. I shoot 6.5CM, 6CM, and 22CM. Lapua will be a welcome addition.

Well said.
 
I'm going to ponder out loud to no one in particular, but it's no secret Lapua brass tends to be thicker than others
So I wonder if guys with a custom chamber with say 2-3 thou clearance would have to turn necks?

I know when I spec'd out reamers for my 17 FB and 20 vartarg that Dave Kiff had to make the neck area bigger to accommodate Lapua brass
 
I would expect it will take some time for things to settle out. Asking for perfect brass right out of the gate is probably unrealistic.

The rumor mill is also saying they will have a small rifle primer pocket. Not sure how I feel about that. It will certainly cause problems for guys with factory rifles if that is true.
 
Why would a small primer cause issues with factory rifles? Not doubting you at all. This is something I just don't know.
 
Originally Posted By: orkanI don't think they can ignore the popularity and the usefulness of the cartridge any longer. They will ship 10x more of it the first year than they will ship 260rem. Within 2-3 years they will have shipped more of it than 260rem ever. That's my prediction.

I'm going to order about 5000 pieces myself. I shoot 6.5CM, 6CM, and 22CM. Lapua will be a welcome addition.


I think your probably right on quantities! Hopefully they understand how many they will sell the first week it's available. Even the Wildcats are tremendously popular for what they are, lots of 6 and 22 Creeds showing up around here.

One line of thought has been they would not produce Creedmoor brass because they had their own 6.5x47 competing. But the 6.5 Creedmoor is almost a standard factory offering anymore at least here in the US, can't imagine it's really even much of a competition outside of the custom guys. Even then how many guys who run all custom or semi custom say they would build a creed when they can get Lapua brass?
 
Originally Posted By: FairChase93
One line of thought has been they would not produce Creedmoor brass because they had their own 6.5x47 competing.

This is my thought as well. And one reason I have several x47L chamberings & no Creedmore chamberings. IF Lapua does make creed, especially with small primer pocket; I would be much more inclined. Personally, I was hoping the rumor of factory 6x47L would come to fruit...
 
I guess it's all about the money..LOL I just ordered a BHW 6.5 Creed Savage barrel from Ritch. Maybe the potential brass will show up and I can go visit Lester.

Greg
 
Originally Posted By: CZ527Why would a small primer cause issues with factory rifles? Not doubting you at all. This is something I just don't know.

Primer flow at the FP hole.
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760Originally Posted By: CZ527Why would a small primer cause issues with factory rifles? Not doubting you at all. This is something I just don't know.

Primer flow at the FP hole.

Oh I wouldn't let that bother me too bad. It crossed my mind but I didn't think of it as really being a big setback. I'm not sure a 450 would give way anyhow. There's always an easy fix for that though.
 
Originally Posted By: CZ527Originally Posted By: pahntr760Originally Posted By: CZ527Why would a small primer cause issues with factory rifles? Not doubting you at all. This is something I just don't know.

Primer flow at the FP hole.

Oh I wouldn't let that bother me too bad. It crossed my mind but I didn't think of it as really being a big setback. I'm not sure a 450 would give way anyhow. There's always an easy fix for that though.

Yep, bush the pin or live with it. My 6.5X47 Lapua makes a decent little bit of flow, but I hit pressure long before pierced primers happened.
 
My thoughts exactly... I don't typically push it to the limit. I think if I shot for different reasons I might have to, but I'm not the kind to load strictly for velocity.
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760Yep, bush the pin or live with it. My 6.5X47 Lapua makes a decent little bit of flow, but I hit pressure long before pierced primers happened.

Good to know, i'm going through a primer flow issue right now with my .308 and hot 125 grain loads. Really just learning about it as I thought it was a pressure sign at first and it got me spooked. Realized after research it's common and brushing the pin or getting the JP high pressure bolt (if your shooting ar platform) fixes it.

I'm going to do my best to ignore it for now, as I know i'm safe pressure wise. Eventually i'll have to get the new bolt because I can't live with that forever.
 
Originally Posted By: Buster HindendI'm going to ponder out loud to no one in particular, but it's no secret Lapua brass tends to be thicker than others
So I wonder if guys with a custom chamber with say 2-3 thou clearance would have to turn necks?

I know when I spec'd out reamers for my 17 FB and 20 vartarg that Dave Kiff had to make the neck area bigger to accommodate Lapua brass

I think what you are seeing here is the result of necking down 221 FB brass to 17 FB and 20 VT. The 6.5 CM Lapua brass will only have slightly thicker necks and possibly will not be any thicker than any other brass. I use Lapua brass whenever I can and I have never had an issue with excessive neck thickness.
 
Originally Posted By: coyotezapperOriginally Posted By: Buster HindendI'm going to ponder out loud to no one in particular, but it's no secret Lapua brass tends to be thicker than others
So I wonder if guys with a custom chamber with say 2-3 thou clearance would have to turn necks?

I know when I spec'd out reamers for my 17 FB and 20 vartarg that Dave Kiff had to make the neck area bigger to accommodate Lapua brass

I think what you are seeing here is the result of necking down 221 FB brass to 17 FB and 20 VT. The 6.5 CM Lapua brass will only have slightly thicker necks and possibly will not be any thicker than any other brass. I use Lapua brass whenever I can and I have never had an issue with excessive neck thickness.

I remeber this being a issue for some guys when the 260 brass came out.
 
Originally Posted By: 1badsheeOriginally Posted By: coyotezapperOriginally Posted By: Buster HindendI'm going to ponder out loud to no one in particular, but it's no secret Lapua brass tends to be thicker than others
So I wonder if guys with a custom chamber with say 2-3 thou clearance would have to turn necks?

I know when I spec'd out reamers for my 17 FB and 20 vartarg that Dave Kiff had to make the neck area bigger to accommodate Lapua brass

I think what you are seeing here is the result of necking down 221 FB brass to 17 FB and 20 VT. The 6.5 CM Lapua brass will only have slightly thicker necks and possibly will not be any thicker than any other brass. I use Lapua brass whenever I can and I have never had an issue with excessive neck thickness.

Yes It was and that's why I raised the question
Seems like guys on the Hide have wondered about it too


The following comment was copied from the Hide. This is from Josh at Patriot Valley
bohemr13
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Lapua Brass - Dreams really do come true
Wednesday at 1:14 PM
Here's my take:
Until the brass is in hand, don't get excited. Here's why.
1) For 2 years we heard "Lapua is making 260 Rem brass!!!"
It took 2 years and when it arrived the stuff had a thicker neck which meant that all the existing rifles setup in 260 for R-P brass and necked Winny brass had a lot of consistency issues. I've seen several sub 1/2MOA 260's switch to Lapua brass and all of the sudden they can't hold 1 MOA. The same thing happened with 6.5-284 brass. Lapua is thicker than the Win 284 brass necked down. No necking required but all the guys either had to open up existing chambers or neck turn. It was not plug and play.
2) It's rumored to be small pocket brass. If you don't have a tight firing pin and/or a small firing pin (no jokes intended) then switching over may cause primer cratering and pierced primer headaches. Especially because of the tendency for reloaders to really push small primer pocket 308 size brass.
3) Take the recent 6 Dasher brass from Norma as an example. The brass took a while to show up, when it did the consistency was not what was promised. The advised reamer dimensions are now too small in some areas so all the guys who bought the advised reamer are stuck with regrind fees and they don't have a reamer right now. I've been saying it for months, now Robert Whitley is on the tear telling folks about it too. If I was duped into buying a reamer on advice of the people selling brass I'd be pretty cheesed over it.
Would it be nice to have Lapua 6.5 Creed brass? Absolutely. But functionally it doesn't do anything we don't already have with the 6.5x47 or the 260 from Lapua... you're gonna have to load it yourself.
It might not fit the current chambers correctly (there's no direct evidence, just a track record that points to caution).


I remeber this being a issue for some guys when the 260 brass came out.
 


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