600-800 yard round?

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Originally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: SuperSeal110Originally Posted By: orkan

I don't need any lessons from you chief. I go through about 10,000rnds per year in my 308's alone. I know all about turning the turrets.

That's roughly 825 rounds per month. Not sure if I could afford to reload 10,000rds of .308 per year.



Powder, primers, and bullets would be $5013 and 62 cents.
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Cheap, compared to what I usually end up paying for my rifles. I don't buy guys to NOT shoot them. I'll go through 500rnds of 308 in a weekend sometimes. I'll go through a barrel every 6000-8000 rnds.

Why such the big variance?
 
Because every barrel is different, and I expect different things from each of my guns. Some barrels will be shooting one hole at 100yds past 5000-6000rnds. Some will open up to an inch or better. I've got one with over 9000rnds through it that shoots under an inch still. I run shorter barrels with 175gr bullets from 2500-2600fps. Kinda hard to burn barrels with that setup.

The 308's will be taking a back seat to the 338LM in 2011, so I'm sure my round count will go down. Not even I can afford to feed that thing 10,000rnds in a year. That being said, I've got 40lbs+ of retumbo, 20,000 cci250 primers, and 500 300gr scenars with 200pcs of lapua brass ready to go. I figure I'll go through a barrel or two as well. Not sure what to expect from the lapua in terms of barrel life yet.
 
They call it the 10,000 hour rule...

It is the amount of time it takes a person to become a master at something. From Bill Gates and the time it took him before he became a true master at programming, to concert pianists, to professional hockey players and so on, studies have been done and it seems to be a pretty consistent number across all disciplines.

It is truly a daunting amount of time though, some may say you'd have to have no life outside of that one particular discipline, if you've ever met a "master," you'd know, that is about right...

So, if a guy wanted to become a master marksmen, you would need to be throwing a staggering amount of rounds downrange a year. No, sitting in a deer stand doesn't translate to the hours it takes to become a master marksman, it's those rounds down range that count, hours spent behind that scope, perfecting your mildot ranging abilities... and so on
 
Originally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: getfoxyGeez o Pete, couldn't imagine shooting that much

Show me how to get good at something without doing it a lot... and I'll quit shooting so much.
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I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just saying that's alot of shooting, I dint shoot or have any understanding of long range so I will never shoot that much, thank god cause I couldn't afford it.
 
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Good stuff. To get better at shooting do a lot of it. I don't do near enough. Man who cares where you zero. I choose 100 yrds. I guess I am stupid. The Army snipers zero at 300 and the Marines at 600. I guess they are stupid for not zeroing at 200. To the original poster I would get the old workhorse the 308 for work in the 600-800 range and shoot shoot shoot.
 
Like stated above I'm in no way shape or form a long range shooter but the military has to have a reason for using the 308 all these years. They are the best of the best afterall
 
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Shooting anything past 400 yards, it doesn't matter what caliber you are using,takes true marksmanship and a thorough knowledge of the caliber you are using and its trajectory. Any cartridge will work as long as it has enough energy to kill the animal. Some cartridges will shoot flatter than others you just have to choose how much recoil you would like to endure. I personally would choose a cartridge case no bigger then the 30-06 case. 25-06 with 115 Bergers, 6.5-284 Norma, 260 Remington, 308 Winchester, and even 243 Winchester with some of the heavier bullets will get you out that far with the necessary energy but it would be your job figuring out the trajectory and the wind drift that will be imparted on the bullet. This means more then just looking it up on a computer or in Ballistic charts, it actually means going out and shooting your rifle setup at those actual diastances and becoming accustomed to what it will do and your capabilities as well.
 
Originally Posted By: getfoxyOriginally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: getfoxyGeez o Pete, couldn't imagine shooting that much

Show me how to get good at something without doing it a lot... and I'll quit shooting so much.
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I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just saying that's alot of shooting, I dint shoot or have any understanding of long range so I will never shoot that much, thank god cause I couldn't afford it.

With 10,000 rds per year, I'd hope to win more then 1 or 2 comps a year.

How do you find time to reload, shoot, work, and deal with the g/f/wife/family? Must be a busy fella...
 
Originally Posted By: orkanBecause every barrel is different, and I expect different things from each of my guns. Some barrels will be shooting one hole at 100yds past 5000-6000rnds. Some will open up to an inch or better. I've got one with over 9000rnds through it that shoots under an inch still. I run shorter barrels with 175gr bullets from 2500-2600fps.

Originally Posted By: orkanNot sure what to expect from the lapua in terms of barrel life yet.


Doubt you'll get 9000 out of that one
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As orkan said, barrel life is dependant upon many factors. A rifle used in rattle battles will have shorter life than one that is allowed to cool a bit between shots/strings. Using relatively "tame" loads (2600-2700 fps) in a 30-06 and shooting XTC NRA highpower matches (about half rapid fire and half slow fire), my barrels usually started to throw an occasional flier around the 7500 mark.

Originally Posted By: calling4lifeThey call it the 10,000 hour rule...
It is the amount of time it takes a person to become a master at something.

So, if a guy wanted to become a master marksmen, you would need to be throwing a staggering amount of rounds downrange a year. No, sitting in a deer stand doesn't translate to the hours it takes to become a master marksman, it's those rounds down range that count, hours spent behind that scope, perfecting your mildot ranging abilities... and so on



Originally Posted By: varmintgitterThis means more then just looking it up on a computer or in Ballistic charts, it actually means going out and shooting your rifle setup at those actual diastances and becoming accustomed to what it will do and your capabilities as well.

Very astute observations.

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Originally Posted By: SuperSeal110With 10,000 rds per year, I'd hope to win more then 1 or 2 comps a year.

How do you find time to reload, shoot, work, and deal with the g/f/wife/family? Must be a busy fella...

Competition isn't my driving force. Being proficient is, and comps help. I live in south dakota, so I have to drive a long ways to get to any big shoots.

I own a business, my employees do most of the work (hence why I hired them), my woman stays at home and takes care of the kid, I hunt/reload/shoot whenever I want to. I'm truly blessed in this life.

... and 10,000rnds a year is just 308. I probably go through 40,000rnds of rimfire and 40 cases of shotgun, amongst other things. Computers and shooting are my life and I don't seem to spend much time on the couch. I'm sorry that everyone can't do it this way, but it affords me the opportunity to gain a lot of first hand experience that I try to share via forums. Though, people's attitudes and refusal to believe statements I make get in the way of that goal more often than not.
 
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... and 10,000rnds a year is just 308. I probably go through 40,000rnds of rimfire and 40 cases of shotgun, amongst other things. Computers and shooting are my life and I don't seem to spend much time on the couch. I'm sorry that everyone can't do it this way, but it affords me the opportunity to gain a lot of first hand experience that I try to share via forums. Though, people's attitudes and refusal to believe statements I make get in the way of that goal more often than not.

If people aren't buying your 10k round/year claim, I'm thinking they really aren't going to buy your 50k rounds/yr + 40 cases of shotgun shells claim.

I'm thinkin' maybe you should put the shovel down now....
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Originally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: SuperSeal110With 10,000 rds per year, I'd hope to win more then 1 or 2 comps a year.

How do you find time to reload, shoot, work, and deal with the g/f/wife/family? Must be a busy fella...

Competition isn't my driving force. Being proficient is, and comps help. I live in south dakota, so I have to drive a long ways to get to any big shoots.

I own a business, my employees do most of the work (hence why I hired them), my woman stays at home and takes care of the kid, I hunt/reload/shoot whenever I want to. I'm truly blessed in this life.

... and 10,000rnds a year is just 308. I probably go through 40,000rnds of rimfire and 40 cases of shotgun, amongst other things. Computers and shooting are my life and I don't seem to spend much time on the couch. I'm sorry that everyone can't do it this way, but it affords me the opportunity to gain a lot of first hand experience that I try to share via forums. Though, people's attitudes and refusal to believe statements I make get in the way of that goal more often than not.



So, on a giving year, how many rounds do you shoot? 80,000, 100,000, 1,000,000rds per year?
 
Why? Its fun to rile people up with the truth.
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Originally Posted By: SuperSeal110So, on a giving year, how many rounds do you shoot? 80,000, 100,000, 1,000,000rds per year?

Ten trillion. Look, I'm going off rough estimates here. I'd have to dig up a lot of log books to get an accurate amount. I've gone through over 4,000 9mm just in my XDM since may. Super seal, I can't help but question your sincerity. This may seem like a lot to you, but a friend I shoot with often makes my shooting habbit look bland. Of course we're talking about M60's, MP5's, and those kinds of things. I'd venture to say he'll go through 10,000rnds in a weekend. Hard to guess when you are running full auto though.

Originally Posted By: 2muchgunI'm thinkin' maybe you should put the shovel down now....
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Why? Its fun to rile people up with the truth.
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Everyone gets mad when they discover things that don't happen inside their little box.
 
Originally Posted By: orkanWhy? Its fun to rile people up with the truth.
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Everyone gets mad when they discover things that don't happen inside their little box.

Mad? 'laffin, you're full of chit. Just saying.

I'm throwing my BS flag down.
 
Originally Posted By: MTurboI took the time and read this entire post.

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Oh?

Here, this is just 3 pictures I just took. My biggest problem is trying to find room for stuff in my house, at least until the new addition with the walk-in safe is done in the spring. I've got another chargemaster that I haven't taken out of the box yet. Yes thats a girraud trimmer. There is a benchsource annealer on the wall behind me. Yes, I buy the best of everything if I can afford it. I want a prometheus but I don't like waiting for things.

I'm sure its all BS though.
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Its not my problem that everyone on the internet calls BS at everything they read. My supply is low right now, because its winter and freezing cold. By spring I'll have the supply built back up to support my summer. I spend my time hunting more than recreational shooting. Once the temp gets back above freezing in the spring, I shoot EVERY DAY, at least 100rnds of 9mm through the XDM, because I carry it. I shoot at least 100rnds per session of 308, because I can and I want to. I have targets at various distances out nearly every window in my house... so even in the winter time I'm shooting. Its not my problem that you choose to do other things with your money and time. ... but don't go calling me a liar unless you have some reason to do so.

... or on second thought go ahead and call me a liar if it makes you feel better about your lack of shooting and supplies.
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I'll be here happily living the lifestyle of my choosing, and thanking God for it every day. Thanks for the laughs guys. It was a good thread and I hope the OP got his question answered.
 
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