6mm-06 Your Thoughts?
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Chapped Lips
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an economical 240WBY or a step faster than a 6mm rem??????....just a guess....
dan newberry
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It's very much like the 240 Wby as mentioned... but much easier to get brass for.
My cousin's 28" Douglas barreld 6-06 pushes the .400 BC 87 grain Hornady VMAX at 3650 fps.
Nothing you'll come up with shoots as flat--including the hot roddin'-est 25-06 you can think up.
19 MOA from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards. (that's less than a 20" drop). EDIT+++> 200 inch drop, that is...
Barrel burner though... so don't plan on doing a lot of shooting with it.
IMR 4831 works great with this cartridge, we've found.
Try to shoot 3 shot groups to save the barrel... add a 4th only when necessary...
And when the BR glitterarti come around talking about 25 shot aggs... tell 'em 25 shot aggs are for limp wristed namby-pamby paper punchin' goober guns.
Seriously... these aren't for extended range sessions. I wouldn't expect the barrel to last for more than 800 shots or so... but oh what an 800 shots...
Dan
My cousin's 28" Douglas barreld 6-06 pushes the .400 BC 87 grain Hornady VMAX at 3650 fps.
Nothing you'll come up with shoots as flat--including the hot roddin'-est 25-06 you can think up.
19 MOA from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards. (that's less than a 20" drop). EDIT+++> 200 inch drop, that is...
Barrel burner though... so don't plan on doing a lot of shooting with it.
IMR 4831 works great with this cartridge, we've found.
Try to shoot 3 shot groups to save the barrel... add a 4th only when necessary...
And when the BR glitterarti come around talking about 25 shot aggs... tell 'em 25 shot aggs are for limp wristed namby-pamby paper punchin' goober guns.
Seriously... these aren't for extended range sessions. I wouldn't expect the barrel to last for more than 800 shots or so... but oh what an 800 shots...
Dan
Jack Roberts
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"19 MOA from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards. (that's less than a 20" drop)."
Looks like a little slip of the typing fingers there.
19MOA at 1000 yards is 190", considerably more than 20".
Jack
Looks like a little slip of the typing fingers there.
19MOA at 1000 yards is 190", considerably more than 20".
Jack
JBPrecision
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Originally Posted By: Jack Roberts"19 MOA from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards. (that's less than a 20" drop)."
Looks like a little slip of the typing fingers there.
19MOA at 1000 yards is 190", considerably more than 20".
Jack
And there are flatter shooters out there
Looks like a little slip of the typing fingers there.
19MOA at 1000 yards is 190", considerably more than 20".
Jack
And there are flatter shooters out there
Verminator2
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Originally Posted By: Jack Roberts"19 MOA from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards. (that's less than a 20" drop)."
Looks like a little slip of the typing fingers there.
19MOA at 1000 yards is 190", considerably more than 20".
Jack
That's what I was thinking
I wonder if a 6 STW improved would shoot any flatter?
Looks like a little slip of the typing fingers there.
19MOA at 1000 yards is 190", considerably more than 20".
Jack
That's what I was thinking
FrankintheLaurels
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What good is the drop if most of your shots are less than half that distance...how many of us actually fire shots while hunting over 500 yards intentially trying to kill, not many... I've had a chance to see two of these in action of the bench... that's an aweful lot of powder to be burning in a less than a quarter bore.. I would bet full power loads would clean the throat area out of one in 500 or less shots or a good two hours on a prairre dog field...I can think of alot of better use for a 6mm barrel.. how about some of the souped up versions of the 6mmBR..they would be more accurate, easier on barrels, easier to make shoot, easier on the ear and shoulder..and after all, most scopes made today have lots of adjustment in them to compensate for the more than 20 inch drop at 1000 yards..
dan newberry
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200 inch...
a doggone laser wouldn't be much flatter than 20 inches...
The 87 VMAX is a really great 6mm bullet, though, especially when you compare the BC's of heavier bullets like the 95 grain Nosler ballistic tip, and even some match bullets.
The .400 BC that Hornady advertises for the 87 VMAX is actual...
a doggone laser wouldn't be much flatter than 20 inches...
The 87 VMAX is a really great 6mm bullet, though, especially when you compare the BC's of heavier bullets like the 95 grain Nosler ballistic tip, and even some match bullets.
The .400 BC that Hornady advertises for the 87 VMAX is actual...
GRIZZLYONE
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I'm wondering if the 6MM Ackley would be easier on barrels,
and still deliver 6MM-06/240 Wby type performance? Anyone? Jack? Grizz.
and still deliver 6MM-06/240 Wby type performance? Anyone? Jack? Grizz.
Outlawkyote
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Why not just a 6mm 284? All that quality brass out there?
Why not a 22-284 with an 80gr Hornaday with a published .453 BC. My 224 clark can push those bullets to 3700fps easy.
Why not a 22-284 with an 80gr Hornaday with a published .453 BC. My 224 clark can push those bullets to 3700fps easy.
dan newberry
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The easy thing about the 6mm-06 is all you've got to purchase for brass is the 25-06 or .270 win cases. The 270 cases work well.
100 bucks for a sizing die from RCBS. Maybe cheaper elsewhere, I don't know.
You can seat the bullets with a .243 win seater.
I think the 284 brass isn't so easy to come by in most parts. 270 brass nearly grows on trees.
As to the .22 cal option, if you're punching paper or shooting at smallish game, that's worth considering... but again, you'll have a gun that uses an esoteric brass, and if you want to step up to a larger animal you might want a 100 grain bullet, which the 6-06 will push to well over 3000 fps.
I think if there's another cartridge worth considering over the 6-06, it would have to be the 6.5-06. Brass availability is the same, and extremely high BC bullets are available.
But pushing that 87 VMAX toward 3700 fps makes for a great long range dog and varmint rifle, and of course deer have gone down to lesser combinations as well...
Accuracy from a 6-06 is excellent. Sub MOA at 1060 yards last time we tested my cousin's rifle. And that was a 5 shot group... generally he'll shoot 3 shots.
It's just the barrel torching issue that must be considered... as all that power and flat trajectory is gonna cost somewhere.
Dan
100 bucks for a sizing die from RCBS. Maybe cheaper elsewhere, I don't know.
You can seat the bullets with a .243 win seater.
I think the 284 brass isn't so easy to come by in most parts. 270 brass nearly grows on trees.
As to the .22 cal option, if you're punching paper or shooting at smallish game, that's worth considering... but again, you'll have a gun that uses an esoteric brass, and if you want to step up to a larger animal you might want a 100 grain bullet, which the 6-06 will push to well over 3000 fps.
I think if there's another cartridge worth considering over the 6-06, it would have to be the 6.5-06. Brass availability is the same, and extremely high BC bullets are available.
But pushing that 87 VMAX toward 3700 fps makes for a great long range dog and varmint rifle, and of course deer have gone down to lesser combinations as well...
Accuracy from a 6-06 is excellent. Sub MOA at 1060 yards last time we tested my cousin's rifle. And that was a 5 shot group... generally he'll shoot 3 shots.
It's just the barrel torching issue that must be considered... as all that power and flat trajectory is gonna cost somewhere.
Dan
BrentWin
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Originally Posted By: dan newberry Nothing you'll come up with shoots as flat--including the hot roddin'-est 25-06 you can think up.
19 MOA from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards. (that's less than a 20" drop). EDIT+++> 200 inch drop, that is...
Careful now LOL
A 25-06AI pushing a 115 VLD @ 3600 fps only has 18.5 MOA drop at 1000yd.
The 6MM-06 is a great round, but it is not invincable.
19 MOA from a 100 yard zero to 1000 yards. (that's less than a 20" drop). EDIT+++> 200 inch drop, that is...
Careful now LOL
A 25-06AI pushing a 115 VLD @ 3600 fps only has 18.5 MOA drop at 1000yd.
The 6MM-06 is a great round, but it is not invincable.
FrankintheLaurels
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2muchgun....I have not doubt that if you had a 30 inch tube and was using a slow enough powder that you could drive a 108 past the 3500 fps mark, I'd imagine the 115 could be somewhere in the area..but the pressure might be up a tad..also, the throat would be demolished in no time..that's just way to much to be burn in that diameter.. I would also think that a 6mm.284 could get the velocity in the area also...BUT, the grain would not be worth the consequences of getting there. The only happy people are the barrel manufacturers. BUT some of speed lovers must admit that they just love seeing those numbers on the chrony..
JBPrecision
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BUT some of speed lovers must admit that they just love seeing those numbers on the chrony.. Quote
I'll be the first to admit I love to see the numbers and don't give a rat's tail about barrel life on rigs like that.
I would also like to see a 115VLD at 3600. We've seen a 110BIB out of a 25-284 with a 32" tube at 3450 but a 115 at 3600 would be something special
I'll be the first to admit I love to see the numbers and don't give a rat's tail about barrel life on rigs like that.
I would also like to see a 115VLD at 3600. We've seen a 110BIB out of a 25-284 with a 32" tube at 3450 but a 115 at 3600 would be something special