6mmbr or 6.5x284???????

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"...What would be the advantages of the 6.5-284 over the .260 Remington?

Both cartridges launch 140 grains bullet at 2700 ft/sec.



About 200fps - the 6.5x284 will do ~200 fps faster than the smaller 260 Rem.




Hodgdon data shows both to launch 140 grains bullets at same velocity. Is this 200 ft/sec advantage achievable with risk involved that Hodgdon would not publish in their data?
 
A 6.5x08 or 260 can do 2900fps with a 142SMK but that's really pushing it. Typically the 6.5x284 is loaded down, to 2950 fps with the 140 class bullets. They can be loaded over 3000 fps. With newer powders like RL-17 over 3100fps.
 
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Wind, wind, wind...that is the issue between different bullet weights/twist rates.

CatShooter, how bad are the winds on this egg-shooting range? I've lived back east in NJ and now live out west, I can tell you there's no comparison. What might work in mild breezes in CT would be blown into the next county out here.

I would never purposely buy a slow-twist rifle for western varmints.
Philip, if you shoot in very low wind conditions a slow twist/light bullet will do ok out to 400-500 yards or even more, but if the wind honks where you are, go with the long heavy high B.C. bullets.



Winds here can be light, to heavy - depending on the time of the year, the phase of the moon, and the mood of my Ex in court.

But I have shot a lot in SoDak and Texas, where if your truck has all four wheels on the ground, it is just a light breeze. My first three days in SoDak were a lesson in frustration... the next 18 days saw PD's droppin' at well over 700 yds to a .222 Mag (14" twist) bench gun on a regular basis

Some people think that a fast twist, and heavy bullet is a black and white panache for all shooting situations... not hardly. The heavy bullet thing is way over rated for a varmint rig, and here's why.

When you shoot a match, you put your kit on the firing line, where it IS, not where you wanna set up.
You shoot WHEN they tell you to shoot, not when you wanna shoot. So every little bit helps (but no guarantees).

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But if we can compare two rifles that are 6mmBR - one with a 14" twist and 65gr V-Max, and one with an 8" twist and 105 A-Max... both loaded to acceptable max velocities, in a 10 mph cross wind.

At 700 yds, the light bullet rig has drifted 56", and the heavy bullet rig has drifted 40"... BFD, a 29% difference - on any varmint, you missed both shots... not even close - and 10 mph wind is nothing in open plains country... drifts can easily be 120" at that range.

No one can judge wind accurately enough to make a correction before the shot, so the second shot is a hold off, and depending on your ability to judge holding off, you might or might not be able to make the second shot. It is a crap shoot!

The difference in elevation is ~1/2 moa - again, BFD.

Smart money says that anyone that fights the wind when they don't have to, is a dumb bunny.

For that slight edge (and it is a slight edge) of fast twists/heavy bullets, you pay a price of shorter barrel life, more expensive bullets, and fussier loading, cuz VLD's are not throat friendly...

For a serious match where I have no control over anything... the edge goes to heavy bullets, but it is just that, an edge, no guarantee.

But for a varmint rig, I would not even consider a fast twist/heavy bullet rig.

Shoot smart - don't think heavy bullets are the answer - they are not.

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Catshooter,

If you can change your shooting direction to match the wind (was that you that posted about the 'string of death'?) then yeah you're right. When you have to take it as it comes, that 29% improvement is a pretty big edge.
 
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Catshooter,

If you can change your shooting direction to match the wind (was that you that posted about the 'string of death'?) then yeah you're right. When you have to take it as it comes, that 29% improvement is a pretty big edge.



Yeah... I posted about the string.

29% isn't an edge if it's bigger than the targets.

When your are talkin' feet of drift, no wind flags, no accurate wind measurement, and no sighters...

... then your are just guessing, and it doesn't make any difference what bullet you use!


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I don't know much, but I had the chance to shoot a benchrest 6.5 x 284 today and was blown away. I was able to put several shots in a 4" plate at 500 yards.
 
Lots of good thoughts above, one thing to keep in mind if I may is if you are shootin lots of volume the 6br is a little less powder capacityand throat erosion and 6mm bullets are usually cheaper by a scoche than the 6.5's. All that being said if you are open to options you might look at the 6mm-250 improved, especially in the bullet weights you are looking at, and brass is super easy to fireform just neck up 22-250 and shoot or get full length dies and satrt with 243 cases then trim back.
 
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