Quote:I thought we call ourselves predator hunters? What I really don't get that is if it was 4 months later say in October nobody would have a problem with shooting those same coyotes. Makes no sense to me. If you find a nest of killer bees or a bunch of baby black widows in your back yard are you gonna wait until they grow up and look and act like adult killer bees and black widows before you kill them or are you gonna dispose of them no matter how old they are? If you would kill those baby spiders but throw stones at someone who kills young coyotes I'm sorry sir that makes you a HYPOCRITE!!!!!
I call myself a predator hunter.
You ask what difference is it if it was 4 months later.
Too many in this sport it makes a huge difference. Although we all tout the benefit of predator control and the need to keep coyote numbers in check which helps fawn and turkey survival and recruitment and also saves the occasional “fluffy” the pet dog or cat. Many are in this sport because of the “sport". Many have no desire to kill every last coyote or exterminate them off the face of the planet. To many very seasoned and experienced coyote hunters it’s more about the challenge of the hunt. They don’t hunt during the denning and raising of the pup time period, however they spend every available weekend September to March matching whit’s with the trickster, selecting the stand location, enduring the cold winter air or freezing rain, mastering the stand, producing the vocals be it distress or communicative howls, enticing the animal into range, demonstrating solid field craft from utilizing the natural camouflage of a bush or a rock pile to being fully aware of the direction of a fickle breeze.. Sometimes success, many times failure.. To many that’s the essence of Predator Hunting and Sporting and Ethical. That's why some take offense to the pictures of dead pups on a den as depicting predator hunting or predator hunters, or sporting in general– It’s not the type of predator hunting the vast majority participates in.
There are selfish reasons as well, shooting 2 or 3 pups in a den means 2 or 3 less targets to match whit’s with late winter – shooting pups in a den is just not viewed as very “sporting”, "a challenge" or “ethical” to many predator hunters.
I don’t need to be schooled or educated on legitimate ADC work during calving operations or in sheep pastures. I fully support the need for it any time of the year.
However, hero pictures of dead pups at a den site, with its skull cap blown off does not depict predator hunting to me, it depicts ADC work.
The pictures fuel the anti crowd and their campaigns to limit seasons, coyote hunting contests, and hunting in general. It wasn’t too long ago someone posted a picture here of a heavily pregnant [beeep] coyote who had been shoot and had 4 or 5 spontaneous aborted near term pup fetuses all lined up in a nice straight row, I guess to some it made a cool hero shot. I say pictures of this ilk are nothing but ammo for our mutual enemies to use against us. Why give them ammo?
Quote:Like I stated before if you came across a nest of baby black widows would you wait until they grow up to kill them just because they are still babies? I think not so what's the difference between baby spiders and baby coyotes? Nothing they are both just a species that pray on another species to survive!!!
Why do you bother hunting? If you equate a pup coyote to nothing more than killing a baby spider and see no distinction or difference in the killing of one or the other. Why get up in the morning and drive 30 miles to a stand in an attempt to shoot one if it’s a meaningless quarry or challenge – no better no worse then a bug. You apparently have no respect for the animal or the effort required to harvest it? I wouldn’t drive 30 miles to step on a spider. Killing pups on a den is not hunting or in the tradition of hunting ethics most predator hunters subscribe to.
I say dead pup pictures on a den have no place on a forum whose stated purpose is to “promote the SPORT of predator calling, wildlife conservation issues, and defending our hunting heritage.” The moderators need to refamilurize their self with the stated goal of this forum, or revise the current stated purpose statement to include. “Extermination of coyotes, and provide our adversaries ammunition to regulate, limit, and eliminate our predator hunting opportunities.”
I guess that makes me a hypocrite as well.
AP Jones
AllPredatorCalls.com