A question for Nonya, and others, on 50 cal weapons

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MI VHNTR

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Nonya, you've been hammering dumbo all over PM for his stance on the "assault rifle" issue, but you've posted on another board that 50 cal rifles have no place in hunting and should be banned, oops "restricted", and not be allowed for hunting big game. Tell everyone YOUR full story of the 50 cal and why you feel that it should be "restricted". Just don't keep on bashing dumbo for his transgressions, while you want similar restrictions on firearms too.

So, why is the ban on the so called "assault weapons" for hunting bad, but the banning, oops restriction, of 50 cal weapons for hunting good?


IMHO, it's all the same anti-gun rhetoric. Divide and conquer. It's a brady idea championed by jim zumBONED and his little minions. What do the other gun owners and hunters think? MI VHNTR

The Second Amendment isn't about guns. It's about freedom.
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No, he's talking about .50cal BMG and other such centerfire .50 cals. But your question is a good one. Do you think the anti's will make the distinction??? No.

It is not the way I hunt so it must be wrong..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
Just as soon as I can set aside 3K worth of fun money I am gonna buy myself a single shot .50BMG. I think everyone should own one.
 
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Just as soon as I can set aside 3K worth of fun money I am gonna buy myself a single shot .50BMG. I think everyone should own one.




build your own....
I got me 2 differnt sets,soon /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif maybe summer project:)
 
I want one!! Real bad too. But I don't have the money. I may have to inquire about the building one myself scenario, but that's another post in another forum.

On the subject; I think we ought not fight with each other and we may all have to look in our past and realize that we've made comments that aren't very forward thinking. The only real difference I see is that my opinion or yours or NONYA's will probably never be seen or heard of or given a second thought by the anti's. Jim Zumbo is in the public eye and should know that he must choose his words very carefully.
 
I am not bashing Nonya on this post I just don't understand what he is saying.... Nonya can you break it down for me please? I have read it twice and I am still confused.
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Make the best of it Jim,turn it into a learning experience for all those who have the same outlook you had before you were "enlightened".There are two options for you,1: Lay down and disappear 2:Stand up give a bunch of people a big fat finger and move on.There are so many ways you can turn this around to benefit yourself and the uninformed public that threaten our 2nd amendment rights just because they dont know the truth about semi-automatic rifles and hunting in general.How about a series of shows that take people from this mass of uneducated non hunters and imerse them into the world of fiearms and hunting?I was just as upset as most but everyone makes mistakes and i hate a hypocrite worse than anything so im not going to hold a grudge,I have been forgiven for many transgresions and I dont want hypocrisy to be my next.
NONYA Teds spirit-wild backstrap bloodbrother from the Big-Sky



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Id like to see JZ pay his pentance through public appearances involving "terrorist" rifles and hunting coyotes ect.What would be better than JZ on TV with an ar in his hand?What wasnt i rude enough for you?If i posted my thoughts uncensored it would be deleted along with everyone else that posted thier feelings in that thread.MI Vhntr I will not respond to your trolling..BTW why are the two of you bringing topics and posts from other sites over here to PMF to blast me for it?
 
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Dude I said I wasn't bashing you, (Did you not comprehend that in my first post?) I just didn't understand your point. Now I do and I kinda agree that what you suggested could help. I am not a member over there so I could not ask there, so I asked you here. It has nothing to do with weather you were being rude enough or not, just wanted to understand what you were saying.

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Id like to see JZ pay his pentance through public appearances involving "terrorist" rifles and hunting coyotes ect.What would be better than JZ on TV with an ar in his hand?What wasnt i rude enough for you?If i posted my thoughts uncensored it would be deleted along with everyone else that posted thier feelings in that thread.MI Vhntr I will not respond to your trolling..BTW why are the two of you bringing topics and posts from other sites over here to PMF to blast me for it?





I was just wondering where you, and other hunters, stand on gun control issues, such as the 50 cal BMG, and the NRA, that's all.
You hammer dumbo zumbo (rightly so) for his views on "assault rifles", yet you feel noone needs a 50 cal BMG firearm for hunting. Isn't this the same kind of thinking that the antis use? If you are reluctant to reply here, perhaps you should not condemn other hunters for their choice(s) of firearms nor should you condemn the NRA.
MI VHNTR

The Second Amendment isn't about hunting. It's about Freedom.

NRA Endowment Member
 
MI you were warned and your posts were deleted over on GBO so you bring your crap over here,I wont play your game.Radd4,didnt mean to include you in the blasting part,had no idea where you were coming from since you posted you question in a flamers thread that has been drug over here by MI after Greybeard deleted his posts on GBO.If JZ is going to make an attempt to improve the publics undestanding of his mistake and ignorance about the hunting world and the popularity of ar/clone type rifles as he has promised he needs to have a public platform,I think its the only way he can repair his rep and possibly bring some good out of his monumental mistake.Ill bet there would be plenty to gain from an educational type show with a previously misinformed gunwriter as its host helping others to find the truth about "assault" rifles and thier many uses other than being in the hands of a "terrorist".There is plenty of anti propaganda out concerning ar type rifles but hardly anything in the pro gun arena.
 
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MI you were warned and your posts were deleted over on GBO so you bring your crap over here,I wont play your game. ...a flamers thread that has been drug over here by MI after Greybeard deleted his posts on GBO.



First, I don't consider gun control in any way, shape, or form to be a game. Nor do I consider anyone that advocates gun control of any kind to be a friend of gun owners.


Second, I placed this post here early this morning. This was long before you decided to silence anyone with an opposing view, including me, through censorship. That's one way to silence your critics and hide the truth.

Third, sorry that you took things to heart and got your panties in a bunch. I posed questions not only to you, but to other hunters and gun owners. I see from the wording of your post that you will not clarify the issue here and are continuing to hide your anti-gun stance on the 50 cal BMG and the NRA. Sobeit. However, it's now out there for all to see.

 
50 BMG? I would like one but not enough $$$$. I will tell you where I stand on the 2nd Amendment. If you want to have a 105 Howitzer you should be able to have one. I would recommend that you fire it only at the range or out on the desert. Just so you don't wake up the neighbors dog. I am not kidding. A Humvee with a mini-gun would be kinda fun to play with.
 
a chopper with a mini gun would be way more fun.What Mi is trying to restart was a thread about hunting big game with the 50 bmg,nobody ever said ANYTHING about gun ownership it was a thread about hunting regs,it turned into a flamin name calling match and Im not going to drag it over here no matter how hard he prods.I didnt censor you the admins on GBO did and you deserved it.As for the NRA discusion I stated that I had 0 confidence in the current NRA program,they give too much for an organization that claims to "never give in".If you cant disagree with me without being an [beeep] about it Im not going to continue the debate with you,we will never agree on some things get over it,we beat it to death and achieved nothing please drop it.
 
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You hammer dumbo zumbo (rightly so) for his views on "assault rifles", yet you feel noone needs a 50 cal BMG firearm for hunting. Isn't this the same kind of thinking that the antis use?



So .22LR should not be restricted from moose hunting? It's getting easier and easier in the last couple of days to label people "anti-gun" just cause they don't share the same opinion.
 
I am not trying to start, or restart, anything. I wanted to know exactly where you, and other gun owners, stand on the 50 cal BMG and the NRA. You are posting opposite things on the net. On one hand, you are here as a champion of firearms freedom, but yet you post in other places that gun restrictions are needed, since YOU deem some firearms unnecessary for hunting purposes. Which is it? Pro-gun or anti-gun? Is it part pro-gun and part anti-gun?

Since you keep on bringing up another site, I'll briefly address the issue. Was I censored? Yes, but only because you are a moderator there. It's just another way of silencing the opposition. Also, I received no "warnings" or emails over this issue, but I'm sure some will be forthcoming after the fact.

Why do you call the NRA "spineless" and to what pro-gun organizations do you contribute?

I will NEVER AGREE with anyone that wants to take away our freedom of choice in regards to firearms. If you don't like it, don't jump all over idiots like zumbo for what he said, but continue to regurgitate the same type of anti-gun nonsense.

You can hunt with whatever weapon/caliber that you choose to. Just don't criticize others for their choice of firearm/caliber, because YOU deem it unnecessary. Divide and conquer is one of the chosen methods of disarming the public that has been used by the antis. Your stance on eliminating the 50 cal BMG for hunting use is the same exact thing.

Finally, I can hold an intelligent discussion without having a "beeep" put into my post. MI VHNTR
 
You now EXACTLY where i stand,I explained it to you 50 times on GBO,you just drug your flaming posts over to another forum.Dont try to act coy MI,just because you were "censored" at GBO you restart it over here?You were "censored" because you were acting like a child and being offensive,BTW I didnt delete any of you posts GB did.You try to turn a hunting regulation proposal into GUN CONTROL?You call all the names you want,you are the kind of guy that splits hunters and prevents any unity,we have different opinions on wether the .50bmg should be used on deer so you label me an anti or a gun control advocate?LOL,I would never advocate ANY gun control issue EVER.This is my last post to you MI and i wont respond to you if you restart it anywhere else so dont waste your time.MI HNTR[ignore?] CLICK!
 
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Nonya... you telling us that we shouldn't be able to hunt with our weapon of choice is no different than Jim Zumbo trying to tell us that we shouldn't be able to hunt with an AR.

You "think" you are right... and obviously nobody is going to be able to enlighten you.

So you lobby against your fellow hunters that want to hunt THEIR WAY... and you make us all hunt how YOU think we should hunt. Whats next? Every tom, [beeep], and harry out there trying to impose THEIR will on us.

What are we left with? NOBODY gets to hunt how they want because all of the so-called "fellow hunters" have rallied against our fellow man.

You are either with us... or you are with the anti's.

Get it through your head.
 
lobby against my fellow hunters?I shared my opinion about it in a thread about it,i shared my opinion of a group of guys that i know that hunt elk from the logging roads with thier 50bmgs,Im entitled to my opinion and it has 0 effect on gun regulation or 2nd amendment rights,call all the names you want your just another guy creating the rift,you are the type that deems anyone with an opinion other than yours an anti and creates division where there should be unity,even among hunters/shooters there will be difference of opinons and wen all have the right to them.The 2nd amendment is about firearms,it has nothing to do with hunting rights,hunting regs are determined by state commisions and have 0 efect on your right to posses any firearm you want,there is a clear line,blurring it into one issue is insane.
 
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