A question for Nonya, and others, on 50 cal weapons

I don't agree with regulations limiting what firearm/caliber/cartridge can be used for hunting.

I DO agree with LAWS (not regs) against reckless endangerment of persons or property, whether it's with firearms or a vehicle.

I agree with the F&G making recommendations as to what minimum size firearm etc should be used for what game. I agree with laws requiring that a hunter be required to show that he had a reasonable expectation of a one shot kill in the case of any animal being wounded and lost, if a hunter used a firearm that was outside the f&g recommendation for that particular game.

In other words, use a .22lr for moose if you want to, but you better make damn sure you can bring them down with one shot while doing it, or risk a criminal conviction.
 
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The one complaint I have heard about the 50 cal. is the high rate of lost game due to the long-range shots taken. I’ve never seen any data to back this claim up but if it can be proven that would a reason to consider a change to the hunting regs.



You are thinking almost as backwards as nonya.

The TYPE OF RIFLE is not the issue here. The guy behind the trigger IS the issue.

These long shots you speak of are not the CALIBER or the GUN's fault. The so-called "hunter" behind the trigger is to blame here.

So you change the regs so nobody can hunt with a .50cal...
THEN WHAT!?!??!?! Move on to the next group of distance shooters. 300 win mag, 7mm, 8mm, the fudd's precious 30-06!!!!! All of them and MANY MANY OTHER calibers are capable of taking game at 1000yds. SOME of them actually have a flatter trajectory than the 50cal too!

While your "problem" of people taking long shots is sound... your "method" of trying to solve the problem is COMPLETELY off base.

Just like in nearly EVERY CASE where something is fouled up... it is usually not the hardware... but the OPERATOR that is to blame.

That is unless you are a democrat. In which case NOTHING is your fault... and NO ONE is to blame for any problem.

This topic, as well as many others I see on the news every day DISGUSTS me to a level where I sometimes feel I may actually VOMIT due to the level of stupidity inherent in many comments people post on forums and various other places on the internet.

Literally makes me sick to my stomach at how far down the toilet this country has gone. Logic of the law of averages says there is no return.

Bottom line: When they come for my guns... I will give them every one of them. ... bullets first. They will call me a revolutionary, a criminal, an outlaw, and a psychopath. Undoubtedly, as many people to die for this country's freedom before me in the past decade or so... it will probably be in vain.

My beliefs and my RIGHTS which I have fought for and hold so dear will be the very thing that kills me. But I will not die on foreign soil, and the people that kill me, will inevitably be the very people I swore to defend.

I fear this day will come sooner rather than later. However, my resolve, if tested, will not be found lacking.

It seems like I know LESS about the world around me every day. Today, I only know that I would rather DIE than to compromise another SINGLE ONE OF MY RIGHTS granted by GOD and our forefathers.

I'll step off my soap box now. ... and may a BULLET find my heart before I lay down my arms.
 
That is a very good point. Throwing laws at the hardware doesn't address the real problem, any more than passing gun control laws that restrict me doesn't anything about the criminal misuse of guns.

Most states, it's illegal to shoot from or across a road. So odds are, if they're doing so they're likely already breaking the law. There may be other violations of existing laws, hard to say without the specifics of each incident.

It is an age old problem of people attempting shots beyond what they should. I expect it dates all the way back to when we hunted with spears, so I dunno how you would write a law that would effectively deal with the matter.
 
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...so I dunno how you would write a law that would effectively deal with the matter.



EXACTLY!

But you sure as hell can make a name for yourself and get a CRAPLOAD of money trying now can't you?

If EVERY law currently on the books was ENFORCED and people were held ACCOUNTABLE for their actions, we'd see some REAL improvement.

Some guy steals a car stereo? Prison for 1 year and 5 years probation.
Some guy molests a child? Prison for 50years - life. Multiple offenders get the CHAIR.
Some guy murders somebody? THE CHAIR. Period.

The punishment hasn't fit the crime in this country since 200 years ago.

FEAR keeps people honest. Nothing else will do what fear can do.

You put the FEAR back into criminals... and you'll see some major changes.

I once had a guy try to carjack me with a baseball bat. You don't see me starting an organization dedicated to the outlaw of all baseball bats. But if I DID... I'd start with the ALUMINUM and METAL bats first... because it would be easier to paint a negative image of. THEN I'd go after the wood ones. I bet that the people who use wood bats would HELP ME get rid of the aluminum bats too. People are stupid like that, and I would know it.

Tell you what though... When that punk came at me with a baseball bat... I would have definately been beat to hell by that guy if not for ONE THING. I mean I don't know any chuck norris moves or anything... I couldnt take a guy that has a bat with my bare hands. But when I stuck my glock .40 S&W in his face it was as if someone erected a BRICK WALL right in front of him. He turned and ran as if the devil himself was chasing him.

Did he suddenly have an attack of concience and decide what he was doing was wrong? NO!!!!!!!
I made him AFRAID. Afraid of dying. At that moment in time I held him FULLY accountable for his actions and I guarantee I made a bigger difference in his life than 6 months of "anger management" classes could ever make.

Nonya, I hope you don't play softball... because if you keep up your double-talk and GROSSLY anti-gun behavior... I will have no choice but to turn your name over to the OABBV. (that would be the Organization Against Baseball Bat Violence) Abbreviations always sound more scary dont they!?!?!? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

To all my fellow brothers in arms out there who TRUELY support the cause; You have my thanks an KEEP UP THE FIGHT!

To all the rest of you posers out there; There was a witch hunt started two weeks ago, and we aren't going to stop until every last one of you sons-a-b's burn.
 
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The TYPE OF RIFLE is not the issue here. The guy behind the trigger IS the issue.

These long shots you speak of are not the CALIBER or the GUN's fault. The so-called "hunter" behind the trigger is to blame here.

So you change the regs so nobody can hunt with a .50cal...
THEN WHAT!?!??!?! Move on to the next group of distance shooters. 300 win mag, 7mm, 8mm, the fudd's precious 30-06!!!!! All of them and MANY MANY OTHER calibers are capable of taking game at 1000yds. SOME of them actually have a flatter trajectory than the 50cal too!

While your "problem" of people taking long shots is sound... your "method" of trying to solve the problem is COMPLETELY off base.



If it could be proven that the 50 cal is noticeably higher game loss that the other combined then there is cause to consider a restriction. I don’t know of any such proof out there. I’m not sure it could be proven but that would be the only way a change in the hunting regulations should be considered. I agree with those who say that a restriction would be blaming the hardware for a human error. I don’t see how some of the other options can be enforced.
 
Wyoming has a regulation that states you cannot hunt any big game animal with a caliber smaller than .23.....So pretty much .243 or bigger....I'm curious as to what you all think about that...I'm not so sure it is bad thing but you guys make some valid points about blaming the hardware... I think it would be utterly irresponsible to hunt elk with a .223 but should it be dicated to me that I can't....interesting debate!
 
From a purely efficiency point of view, a fast twist 22-250 shooting a 60gr bullet delivers the same energy on target at 300yds as a 150gr .308. It delivers more energy than a 30-30 at any range.

Kinda points out the basic problem with trying to regulate a cartridge/game equation doesn't it?

Make sensible recommendations for new hunters, then leave it to the hunter to decide, but penalize him if he screws up irresponsibly. Shooting a cartridge smaller than that recommended and wounding/losing an animal would be de facto irresponsible behaviour, unless he could convince a judge otherwise.
 
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Make sensible recommendations for new hunters, then leave it to the hunter to decide, but penalize him if he screws up irresponsibly. Shooting a cartridge smaller than that recommended and wounding/losing an animal would be de facto irresponsible behaviour, unless he could convince a judge otherwise.


That sounds good but would be difficult to enforce.
 
Every single law currently on the books is difficult, if not impossible to enforce.

Poaching is against the law. It is still done.
Taking over your limit is against the law. It is still done.
Murder is against the law. It is still done.
Need I go on?

If current laws were enforced, you would find that a LARGE percentage of existing laws would clean up the "irresponsible hunter" problem. Fact is... they dont CARE about the enforcement of the laws. They only care about the CREATION of laws. Enforcing the law does not make politicians look good. Creating them does.
 
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