Advise on truck suspension with new aftermarket bumper and winch!

SalemDawger

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I rear ended my buddies news F150 out rabbit hunting a few weeks ago. $4500 in damage to my truck and $4000 to his. My first wreck ever and I hit my buddies new truck!

Anyways instead of a factor bumper I opted for a cheesy Iron Cross after marked bumper and I have ordered a Engo 9000 winch with synthetic rope to put in it. I got my truck back today and even without the winch installed I can tell the front suspension is compressed and the front end is down noticeably.

What is the best way to increase the the suspensions ability to handle the extra weight? I've been planning on installing a leveling kit which might help a little but I still think I need more.

Thanks for any and all advice.
 
The cheapest way would be the air bags that fit inside of the coil springs next may be air shocks. I use the air bags to level things out when I have the camper on or towing the boat.
 
Most IFS trucks now days have torsion bars. Add a few cranks of pressure and it should lift it a couple inches easy enough.
 
A rear end collision as you describe, really shouldn't affect your front suspension at all, unless you REALLY NAILED his truck. Given the amount of damage you're talking, I honestly wouldn't suspect any serious tweaking of the frame or front end. That's essentially grill, AC condensor, pulling the radiator support back, maybe the radiator, headlights, front fenders and/or hood, and front bumper, using new parts and repainting the front end.

If they suspected the frame was tweaked and checked alignment, they may have found it out of alignment, whether it was or not. Depends totally on what type of alignment tool they were using, and who was reading it. IF it's a torsion bar suspension, it's possible that they adjusted the torsion bars out a little if they tried to realign the front end. Backing them off, thus releasing pressure, would lower the front end a little. Otherwise there really isn't anything or anyway to "compress a front suspension". IF that's the case, you could simply crank the torsion bar adjustment tighter, adding lift to the front end, but that's going to throw your caster and camber out so you probably want to have someone in a computer alignment shop do it so they can tell how far it's going, with understanding of tolerances in that respect.

As for the best thing to handle the extra weight of bumper and winch, your best bet would be to go to a little stiffer coil spring, which may be included in the leveling kit. A stiffer spring should raise your front end back up and carry the extra weight without a problem. I'd also go to a little heavier shock, or an off road gas shock. Most off road gas shocks are designed to stiffen ride as heat builds in the shock. The rougher the road, the more shock travel, the more heat you build and the tighter your ride gets. The extra weight bouncing around out front will also cause more travel, thus more heat, and stiffen the ride a little.

Most of my 4 wheel parts I've been buying through 4 Wheel Parts. Service has been great, prices seem to be reasonable. If you haven't already purchased the winch, I'd check with them first; they have some unbelieveable prices on winches!!

Ordered shocks for my truck, trying to figure out how far it was lifted, and they were all wrong. Called them up, told them what was going on, questioned numbers on existing shocks, he said his books didn't show those on my application but he had them and could send them if that's what I wanted. Had return order paperwork in e-mail, the right shocks on the way, and directions to my nearest store for return, all in under 5 minutes. Customer Service Rep was great to work with! Took shocks back to the store, checked the one box I opened for all parts, no questions asked on the return otherwise.

Just ordered parts to overhaul tranny in my Jeep, these guys were 20 - 30% cheaper than anyone else I found, for the same name brand parts, and shipping was free. Parts always arrive in timely fashion, usually faster than they suggest on-line, since I'm only 60 miles from the nearest store.

Purchased $1800 worth of tires for my pickup from them, and they worked around my schedule and snuck me in on the weekend, to get them mounted and balanced, so I could drop tires while delivering someone to the airport a mile down the road, thus saving me a 60 mile trip back over there to get tires put on.

Give them a call and tell them what you're up against, they'll point you in the right direction.

 
Jumprightinit, thank you, I'll look up airbags.

Redfrog it is a 2007 dodge 1500 4x4.

It is right at the age that I don't want to dump a ton of money into it but I will need to drive it at least 3 more years to get the wife's news Honda minivan paid off. It has been a good vehical and I've not had to do anything to it.

Crapshoot, I considered that but it rides poorly already and I worry about taking up some of the wheel travel. Some guys say it saft to do while others have told me not to. I guess I could try that, or try the aftermarket torsion keys.

Thanks for the advise!
 
Rocky1, I did buy my winch from them, no one was even close on price. You are right about the level of damage. It did need an alignment after my stupid move because the front bumper did get pushed into the passenger front tire. It drives great now and I am liking the look of the bumper. I'm going to buy a small light bar for the grill guard bar. I will take your advise and give them a call.
 
You'll love the winch... Don't use mine very often, but when I do need it, it's a life saver!!!

Yesterday was one of those days! I've been trying to clean the weeds out of my ponds, been using the landscape rake on the back of the tractor to clean the shorelines. Back off in the pond gently until it doesn't feel safe, stomp the brake, drop the rake, and ease out. Have a few spots the bank isn't nicely sloped. In fact, it really isn't sloped at all!! I found one of them. Backed in gently and applied brakes, bank gave way, and I went right on off in the drink.

Took longer to walk the 100 yards to the barn, grab a chain, and drive out there with the pickup, than it did to pull it out.



When you do need it, in heavy pull situations like this; lock your truck down tight. Put it in 4 wheel drive, move a few feet to make sure your front axles lock, put it in park, and/or apply the parking brake. That 'should' lock up everything in the drivetrain, so it has to slide all 4 wheels to move your truck. With the tractor off, not helping at all in this situation, my pickup moved maybe an inch pulling this out. Having 4-37x14.5 tires on the ground helps, but if you don't lock the front end down, it will slide the back tires, and do so rather easy. When you get the front end locked, where it can't move, the more pressure you apply, the tighter the front end sticks to the ground. With 8 inch suspension lift, I've got a lot of room for travel, but when it sucks the front end down 8 - 10 inches, cable starts popping and snapping as it reels in, and it starts turning r-e-a-l s-l-o-w, whatever is on the other end of the cable IS going to move.

I've had guys tell me what a sweet deal they got on their winch, on several occasions, and when I tell them what 4 Wheel Parts sells a winch of that size for, they all want to cry!
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Rocky,

Was the tractor running when it went into the water? Sounds like you have a nice hunting rig to pull it out with!

Thanks for the advise!
 
Yeah, it was running when it went in Dawg, but with it standing straight up, I shut it down right away to save the crank.

Hunting Rig/Daily Driver:




'95 F150 Short Box - Stepside - 302 w/automatic - 8 Inch Suspension Lift - 3 Inch Body Lift - 4.88 Gears front and rear - ARB Air Locker in the rear - 37x14.50-R15 Toyos on 12 inch Mickey Thompson Wheels - 8000 lb. Warn Winch on the front.

It'll go anywhere I want to go!! And, in my old age, NO it don't see a mudhole unless there is a purpose in being on the other side. I find enough of them in the course of work. Got better things to do than spend all my time washing mud out from under my truck, and fixing broke [beeep]!!

Today it got to pull the skidsteer out! They just don't pull out real good by yourself though, simply will not roll in neutral; had the back tires off the ground on the pickup, about 3 inches, and it wouldn't slide it out!
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Ran my chain under the bucket, to the cross bar on the lift arms, so when it started moving I could curl my bucket under and pull it with the hydraulics too. In that way I could move it 4 - 5 feet at the time. If you didn't buy a winch with remote control, you should have!! I've seriously wondered if I could wire one into my Warn several times.

As for burying the skidsteer, we're a tad wet here at the moment, 5 inches of rain at Thanksgiving, 5.5 just before Christmas, then had another 7 inches of rain last weekend. Couple of little showers in between. Cleaning the ponds in the course of all this isn't helping any either, but they're long overdue for cleaning; was trying to rebuild trails around the ponds that are turning to soup on me. Ran off in rut the tractor left and bottomed the skidsteer out, had a stump behind me and couldn't push it out with the bucket.

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Redfrog, I didn't even get wet! I'd been backing out on the edge and holding the brake on that pond, because there is no backslope around the edge of that one, and it had been working really well. Backed up that time and hit the brake, it was sitting there nice, shifted into forward, turned and dropped my rake, and the bank gave way. I felt it turn loose and it just slid off in there nice and slow, me stomping the brake the whole time, like that was going to help. Was beginning to wonder if it was going to stop, or if I was going to have to airlift it out of there after swimming to shore, but there was NO DOUBT it was not crawling out. Didn't even try it, just shut it down and went after the chain and pickup. Was glad it came out as nice as it did, didn't really want to crank it back up with it standing up like that.

Was a minor inconvenience, all a part of playing in the ponds, didn't even phase my day!! I was laughing about it, sent picture to 2-3 buddies. I've been REALLY surprised I haven't had to pull it out yet, haven't even had a problem but once, and crawled out that time. I've pulled the shoreline on the rest of them a time or two, have nice backslope on them, and I've backed out in all of them, A BUNCH OF TIMES. The one I fell in, I've never worked the shoreline on.

 


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