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Im not looking to hunt predators with an airgun...haha
I'm just looking for a good pellet gun. I bought a gamo varmit hunter and was disappointed. It was shooting everywhere at 15 ft. I called gamo and they said it should be shooting roughly a 3 inch group at 20 yards. Now I do believe it was defected, but after shooting that one i noticed i didnt like it. was pretty loud really and the recoil seemed to be alot. I do know the new high power guns do have a high recoil but this seemed kinda alot i jumped a couple times on the bench. Does anyone have a high power gun that shoots good out to 30 40 yards? what kinda scope do you have on it..Im looking at a type of package but i know the scopes arent the best. Also I'd like to buy one from a store(gander, sportsmans, cabelas,dicks) rather then ordering one i've been looking at soem brands that arent carried by local stores.
 
I have a RWS 34 in .22 cal, I had problems keeping the scope zeroed, so I am just using the iron sights now....very nice air gun, and shoots pretty good groups at 30 yards...did kill a squirrel at over 50 yards but it very well could have been more luck than skill. I don't know if 'quiet' and air gun go together, mine is pretty loud as well. This thing is no toy by any means, it will shoot clean through my pine board fence.
 
hrm...forgot to mention i did want a .17cal. Nothing wrong with a .22 i just wanted to lean towards the 17 i just bought alot of new pellets really didnt feel like switching. i have heard good on the RWS. Im willing to try a Gamo again probably a hunter series thou. i'd like the hunter series in a synthetic stock..i dont know why they didnt do that.
did you try using locktite on the scope? that does help. im sure you know about the reverse recoil loosening the scope up.
 
I have a Beeman R1 in 20 cal. It is an awesome rifle. I've had it for about 13 years, and never had a problem with it. I have a cheap Bushnell Sportsman 4x32 AO scope on it, and it works great, the AO adjusts down to 10 yards, and I use to shoot pigeons of the top of a big silo on the farm we use to live on. The 20 cal is better at bucking the wind, but still has good velocity. It really shacks the critters with a heavier pellet. It is heavy, and it does recoil quite a bit, but you have to pay a price for power/velocity. You need to use a scope stop on the scope rail to keep the scope in place.

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hrm...forgot to mention i did want a .17cal. Nothing wrong with a .22 i just wanted to lean towards the 17 i just bought alot of new pellets really didnt feel like switching. i have heard good on the RWS. Im willing to try a Gamo again probably a hunter series thou. i'd like the hunter series in a synthetic stock..i dont know why they didnt do that.
did you try using locktite on the scope? that does help. im sure you know about the reverse recoil loosening the scope up.



Are you using a dedicated airgun scope? In my experiance the odd recoil not only loosens the scope but it also eats scopes that were designed for centerfire rifles in mind. This could be th root of the accuracy problem. Also how many rounds have you put through it? Most airguns have a pretty long break in till they are shooting consistant velocities. Another potential reason for inaccuracy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Heres a cut and paste from an airgun page with a little explanation.
Spring guns, especially high-powered ones, have a significant recoil resulting from the forward motion of the piston. Although this recoil is less than that of a cartridge firearm, it can make the gun difficult to shoot accurately as the recoil forces are well under way while the pellet is still traveling down the barrel. Most guns seem to respond well to a light, repeatable grip that allows the gun to vibrate the same way from shot to shot. Spring gun recoil also has a sharp forward component, caused by the piston as it hits the forward end of the chamber when the spring behind it reaches full expansion. This sudden forward acceleration helps to counteract the backward recoil, since the backward and forward recoil forces happen within milliseconds of each other, but it is infamous for knocking around and loosening or breaking the lenses and reticles found in low and medium priced telescopic sights, even those which are designed to withstand the (backward-only) recoil from high-powered firearms. On any but the lowest power spring guns, any mounted telescope should be air gun rated.
 
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marlin, the gamo came with a scope im sure they put an air gun rated scope on it. i had a gun vise, i checked the scope rings. everything was tight..i was shooting at 15ft. i tried 4 different pellets. not all at once. speratly and noticed no difference in the 8 inch group. That gun i called gamo asked them what they think is acceptable groupage they told me 3 inches at 60 feet..I understand the recoil. but i was responding to double D becuase he is using iron sites and was havign some trouble with his scope getting zero'd in.
 
Marlin45-70 (hey I have one of those) makes a good point that needs to be heeded when it comes to scoping a springer airgun. The reverse recoil of forward movement of the spring can be quite disastrous to scopes.

I had a gamo 220 hunter for a couple years. Accuracy was quarter sized groups in the sitting position. I never benched it because it was going afield regularly and needed the practice. Lots of practice is required. The rifle did well. Shot hundreds of varmint squirrels, starlings, feral cats, raccoon and various targets. Probably had about 15,000 rounds through it when the barrel joint went sloppy causing erratic accuracy. The power plant still has the occasional "diesel".....I love that /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

For "quiet" you can tune the RWS 34 and other more popular, rebuildable rifles that will bring a smooth shot and greater accuracy.
 
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hi. i have a rws model 48 in 22 cal. i shot a woodchuck at 50 yards and rolled him with 1 shot. also got a badger that made it to its hole and dived in but saw no sign of him after that. it is hard on cheap scopes. the 2 bsa air gun scopes i tried first didnt last more then 100 shots. i have a nikon on it now and it has worked well so far.the gun is real accurate, one raged hole at 30 yards
 
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/category-view.asp Heres a great site with lots of info for ya. I own a gamo big cat and love it. A good scope will make a difference. The scopes that come with gamo rifles are airgun rated but there very cheaply made. Thats the first thing most gamo owners change. Ive heard great things about rws rifles. For the money though gamo rifles are hard to beat. Knowing what i know now though i would have bought the cfx. Its the same powerplant as my big cat or your whisper but it has a fixed barrel. It uses an underlever cocking handle. They seem to be a bit more accurate due to the fixed barrel. Anyway check out the site. Bently
 
Go here and check out the .50 caliber and 9mm airguns! The Talon Pre-charged-pneumatic guns would be fund too.. I had all I could do to keep from buying a Drozd a while back. 1200rds/second with a chip.. Fun to blow up lots of little stuff!

www.pyramidair.com
 
Any one have recomendations for a scope for RWS 350?
I have been thrugh several af the cheap one and it eats them pretty quick.
As for the OP, I like the RWS350 for the heavy wieght and power.
The main reason I got it was the trigger. Adjustable take up and let off...very nice.
 
I have the Benjamin 397, I like it's accuraccy, I can hit a jackrabbit in the head at 35 yards.

Is 20 yards a normal group test? or it that just what Gamo says? I been wanting to see how well it groups but I didn't know what distance.

t/c223encore.
 
I have a Feinwerkbau , German (means fine work com.) It is a 124 S that I have had for probably 30 yrears. I just changed the piston seal last year. It shoots around 820 fps. I just checked the grouping shooting at the tin side of a building I have at around fourty yards and three shots could be covered by a dime with two touching. It has a Beeman air gun scope on it needed for the recoil. Only problem I have is the scope is made for close range shooting and the focus isn't clear at over fifty yrds. and out. I have killed sparrows off the fence at 70 yrds with it...not evertime but enough to keep me trying. Rabbits out to 100 yrds is no problem. You have to do lots of practice ,though as the recoil seems to accentuate any movement during the shot.
 
I have an RWS Model 34 in .177 and have 4x Tasco scope on it. I have shot rockchucks, squirrels, birds, etc. with it and chrony'd it several times with various pellets. Essentially, it reportedly is supposed to shoot 1000fps, but the best I ever chrony'd it was 935 fps. Best accuracy pellets I found were wadcutters and I can hit bottlecaps at 30 yds. I shot it so much, I had to put a new main spring in it this winter and now it is like new again. Rockchucks, you say? Yep, really wacks 'em. I shot a dozen one day in a rock pile at my in-laws orchard and I was amazed at the carnage that little air gun deals out. I did put a recoil pad on it though, cuz if you shoot it alot, like I do, it would make your shoulder black and blue.
 
Once you shoot a pre charged pneumatic or pcp the break barrels loose some of their appeal. The pcp's and pumps are not hold sensitive and are not scope killers. The pcp's do cost considerably more though.
I have a Career 707 .20 cal. that will shoot .329 @50 yds. It has an adjustable power range from 400-1200 fps. The trigger is adjustable and so nice you would like to have it on a hunting rifle.
Here is a link with a vast amount of info. http://www.airguns.net/links.php
 
I gave up on spring guns a while back, and went with a pre-charged pnuematic. Mine is a Career 707, .22 cal., adjustable power level. The low end is just over 400 fps, with a 14 gr. pellet, and the high end is just over 1300 fps.
At the top speed, it sounds like a .22 rimfire rifle! After a trip to a custom shop, it now wears a "moderator"...not silencer, since its not a firearm.. and I run it at 950 fps, quiet as a mouse. Accuracy is outstanding. I've shot sub 1/2" groups at 50 yards several times, and killed gophers out to 100 yards. This is about a $500 airgun, far from the top of the line in this category. Its also recoiless, so if the sun is behind you, you can watch your pellet go, and any scope is fine. I get about 80 shots from a 3000 psi charge before the trajectory is affected; it is a lever action with a 10 shot magazine. Before I got an air tank, charging it up meant a bit of a workout with the pump. Now, I plug in the hose, crack the valve on the 4500 psi tank, and top it off. Downside, the trigger isn't the best, and the gun is a bit long and clumsy, with the moderator installed.

If someone were to offer me $750 for the gun w/moderator, air pump and scope, I'd be 'forced' to look into an English airgun...and I'd have about 1/3 of that one's price.
 
Tripod: Did you adjust the trigger yourself? I know one guy who did, and messed it up pretty good. Don't think it will stay cocked now. (The instruction booklet with the last Career 707 I saw purchased warned against adjusting the trigger.) A friend of mine has a Theoben, and that is very impressive in all regards.
 
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