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Cooper Woods

Cooper Woods

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The Game Dept.has gotten the Model firearm ordinance passed and it goes to each county to choose from 8 of them. The only ones for hunting with rifles are 1,2 and 3. All 3 only allow the use of 22 RIMFIRE for hunting all year. 2 & 3 allow larger rifles for groundhogs only and the other one you have to be 10 feet off the ground. The counties have until May 1 to adopt these 1 or more of these 8 ordinances.

This is and atempt to take guns away from us because if you can't use a rifle larger than 22 rimfire whats the point to have them any larger. Thanks to our liberal Governor and his appointments to the Va. Dept. of Game & Fish. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
If we lose this one, they're hoping there will be alot of rifles for sale in Virginia. Cooper's right, their objective is total disarming. Why have them if you can't hunt with them. We will be limited to 17 HMR and 22 Magnum.

It is a silent and covert movement that will get worse once the Democrats win in Nov. Can you imagine Hillary and a piece of firearms legislation. We don't know Obama well enough to know how he will react to it, but you can bet it won't be in a positive manner.

Support your NRA, they are the only ones out there organized enough to support us.


As for Virginia, I think we are on our way to being screwed.
 
Making plans.

What's a Class 3 Misdemeanor?

What is the usual penalty for such an offense?

Guess I am gonna need a lawyer, repetitively.

Model Ordinance 1: It shall be unlawful to hunt with a rifle larger than .22 caliber rim fire.
Any person who violates the provisions of this ordinance shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
(If adopted by the impacted localities, this model will address numbers 2, 7, 8, 28, 47, 71 and parts of 57 and 62 in the “hunting and Trapping in Virginia” digest)
Model Ordinance 2: It shall be unlawful to hunt with a rifle larger than .22 caliber rim fire, Page 3 of Page 17
except rifles of a larger caliber may be used for hunting groundhogs between March 1 – August 31. Any person who violates the provisions of this ordinance shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
(If adopted by the impacted localities, this model will address numbers 4, 6. 24, 38 and 42 in the “Hunting and Trapping in Virginia digest)
Model Ordiance 3: It shall be unlawful to hunt with a rifle larger than .22 caliber rim fire,
except rifles of a larger caliber may be used to hunt from a stand elevated at least 10 feet from the ground. Any person who violates the provisions of this ordinance shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
(If adopted by the impacted localities, this model will address numbers 40, 51, 60 and part of 29 and 44 in the “Hunting and Trapping in Virginia” digest)
Model Ordiance 4: Muzzleloading rifles may only be used to hunt from a stand elevated at least 10 feet from the ground. Any person who violates the provisions of this ordinance shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
(If adopted by the impacted localities, this model will address numbers 13, 32, 40 72 and part of 44 in the “Hunting and Trapping in Virginia” digest)
Model Ordiance 5 Muzzleloading rifles firing a single projectile may not be used to hunt
between April 1 – May 31. Any person who violates the provisions of this ordinance shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
(If adopted by the impacted localities this model will address numbers 17, 33, 39, 53 and parts of 50, 57, and 62 in the “Hunting and Trapping in Virginia” digest)
Model Ordiance 6: It shall be unlawful to hunt with shotguns loaded with slugs. Any person who violates the provisions of this ordinance shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
(If adopted by impacted localities this model will address numbers 9 and part of 45 in the “Hunting and Trapping in Virginia” digest)
Model Ordiance 7: It shall be unlawful to engage in hunting with a firearm within the right-of-way of any primary or secondary highway. Any person who violates the provisions of this ordinance shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
Page 4 of Page 17
(If adopted by impacted localities this model will address numbers 11, 14, 16, 26, 27, 43, and 61 in the “Hunting and Trapping in Virginia” digest)
Model Ordinance 8:
It shall be unlawful to engage in hunting with a firearm within 100 yards of
any primary or secondary highway. Any person who violates the provisions of this ordinance shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
(If adopted by impacted localities this model will address numbers 18, 25, and part of 29 in the “Hunting and Trapping in Virginia” digest)
Depending on adoption by localities, potential net results might be reducing the numbers of local ordinances applicable to hunting with firearms and contained in our “hunting digest” from 73 to fewer than 35; removing redundancies and fragmentation, reducing confusion, and enhancing enforceability.

 
Counties set their own retrictions on firearms for hunting as it is so why is the game comission getting involved now? Sounds like they have alot of time on their hands. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Since most all of the board of supervisors here are rifle hunters I don't see them going along with it and try to just stick with what the restrictions are now.
 
Politics at play! Ya'll best be doing the same thing right now if you want to retain your firearms and hunting heritage in that state! You are going to have to beat them at their own game and be smart about it. Who manages the natural resources in your state, educated wildlife biologist, or, fat cat politicians? If it is politicians, then why are you paying a Wildlife/Conservation Department for? I hate politics! Missouri's Conservation Department is aside from politics by design and drafting of state laws. The Governor and state politicians do not control the purse strings of the MDC, nor do they make appointments for jobs and leadership of the MDC. That reduces outside political influence. Missouri citizens pay a small percentage of a per cent on our state taxes to fund the department as well as the revenue from license fees. The MDC is extremely well funded and does good work with our resources. By all accounts they are a model for other agencies. I would work hard to try to separate politics from actual scientific wildlife management in your situation. Rimfire only isn't in the best interest of the wildlife. And politically, if hunter interest declines, then so does revenue. Somebody is going to lose money and jobs because of it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
Vahunter They had the General Assembly pass something to do away with the county ordinances and make them choose one or as many as 8 or they can choose none. But I think some counties may take a look and pick one that might not be as good as they have now just to please their voters. Like in King William you can't use anything larger than 22 caliber for hunting.That make a 22-250 on down legal but if they say 22 rimfire it's 22 mag on down. As you know we can't use rifles for deer in Hanover county but can use a rifle for anything else. If Hanover wanted to keep hunters from using rifles for deer now under these ordinances they would only have the option of 1 or 2 which would cut us out from using rifles for coyote,fox,bobcats or anything else.
 
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Flyrod1 they have removed all the info from there site. Nice isn't it. This is sliding right through and some hunters might be real surprised come hunting season.
 
I guess we need to decide who needs tar-and-feathering first, and move from there. I sent a letter to my local on the Board of Directors just a few minutes ago.

 
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Well since we don't have any ordinances now, I'm hoping the county will just go with none as usual. But stranger things have happened /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif But like you said Cooper, Hanover sure ain't gonna let anyone deer hunt with a rifle now or never with the booming population going on there. So ya'll could very well be on the way to what I call A "ROYAL SCREWING". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I believe the use if BB guns has been banned in the area there where I used to live. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
I just now returned from paying a personal visit to my local legislator. He lives about 1/2 mile from me and needed a break from mowing his lawn. We talked for several minutes. He too is a hunter and will not go along with a bunch of nonesense. He promised to check into it and get back with me soon. I'll keep you posted once I learn more. Oh, and while there, I got an invitation to hunt coyotes on his place.
 
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I need to make a phone call myself. I really don't want to cancel the order for my new Savage that should be here Thursday. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
Regulation 4 VAC15-270. Game. Firearms
Summary: The proposed amendment would promulgate, through regulation, model local government ordinances for hunting with firearms, that address such matters as the caliber of the firearm, the type of firearm, and the type of ammunition used when hunting within a locality; individual Virginia county or city governments subsequently would have the option of adopting or not adopting one or more such model local government ordinances. The proposed amendment would not enact the model local government ordinances either statewide or within specific localities; rather, the applicability of one or more model ordinance in any Virginia locality would be dependent on the respective individual county or city governments subsequently adopting such model ordinance or ordinances. The Board of Game and Inland Fisheries is promulgating this proposed regulation amendment in fulfillment of Chapter 642 of the 2007 Acts of the Virginia General Assembly and §29.1-528 (A) of the Code of Virginia.
After Major Pike’s presentation, the Chairman restated that these local model ordinances will be come effective only if they are adopted in their respective localities. They were prepared at the General Assembly’s request for localities to consider. After a brief discussion, the Chairman called for a motion to for the Board to adopt these ordinances.
Mr. Burton made the following motion: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Board adopt as final the amendment to regulation 4VAC15-270 pertaining to model firearms ordinances, in the form in which it was proposed. Motion seconded by: Mr. Railey. Ayes: Greer, Railey, Burton, Crumley, Hill, Yates, Stroup and Hazel.
At 10:01am, The Chairman called for a 10 minute recess. The Chairman called the meeting back to order at 10:12am. Mr. Montgomery arrived at 10:12am.

This is the minutes from the board meeting Oct. 16 2007
Maybe somebody that's smarter than I am can tell me what it means. I need to be calmed down /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif
 
I may be wrong but from what I have read the county can adopt on of the ordinances or just leave things the way it is. I talked to one of the board of supervisors we have last night and he told me he has heard nothing about it. He said he knows it's not on the April agenda but if it happens to show up on May's he will let me know. He is all for leaving it the way it is here.... no restrictions. One thing he said did make me laugh, he said " It's kind'a hard to kill a fox or coyote at 500-600 yards with a .22LR" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Cooper let me know if you hear anything else about this and I hope the wise ones in Hanover don't screw ya'll over. I know a couple on the board there now and they just ain't right in the head. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
What everyone should do is not purchase a 2009 hunting license... after all if you can only hunt with a rimfire what use would one be. Could you imagine the $$$ impact from that? money talks.
 
If such thing were to happen, it should have such an economic impact on the local businesses that Gander Mountain, BASS PRO and Green Top should be at the fore front to defend our rights(and their dollar). I would hope!

I still don't understand how a 22 Hornet or 204, 223 that is safe to shoot groundhogs with from March-August can then be considered unsafe to use for coyotes, bobcats or foxes in Nov-Feb. someone help me with that one.


As I said earlier, small bites at our 2nd amendment rights, that is all it is.
 
Sonny where is the Gander Mountain store ? I need some reloading supplies and they sure would beat going to greentop.
If things do get stupid you and Cooper have at least one hunt lined up in a rifle friendly county. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif The supervisor I spoke with last night said they didn't expect so many coyotes being turned in for the bounty. He said he was looking at a list that had between 50 and 75 to pay out on so far this month. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
The Gander Mountain is about 1/2 mile from Greentop just off 95. Don't waste a trip. They are high on reloading stuff and don't carry much. You can get a decent deal on guns if it is on sale.
 
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