An electronic all that "Sounds Right"?

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Gos

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Greetings,
I would like to thin out by a bunch the local coyote population before calving/kidding season (April though May) comes around. I've tried several electronic calls that at times have called in younger coyotes, but not very well. The problem as I hear it is the calls just don't "sound right" compared to the real thing. I know from hearing a rabbit taken by a hawk that those wild squalls bring in everything in hearing distance but these recorded calls won't even get a passing crow flock heading my way. Some of the tape calls are not much better as they have a short pattern that repeats over and over, and again, just sounds wrong, as in not realistic. Rather than me listing all the JS Tapes that I don't like, could someone recommend a proven electronic call that really does sound like the universal dinner bell and brings in animals?
I'm in Western Washington State, so the trapping ban has the local coyote population going through the roof. I also am in very thick areas, so a 100 yard shot is a long one for me due to the dense cover from where the coyotes would be coming.
Thanks in advance,
Gos
 
I would like to find one myself. I currently use a Western Rivers Predation and it works O.K. for the local fox{we aint got coyotes yet.} But the speaker is small and when its turned up on high you still get that scratchy metallic sound that cannot be good. I have been contemplating a new caller but dont know what to buy...looked at the Burnham Bros. Compu-caller II. It has a larger speaker and is supposed to have the highest volume out there. Dont know for sure though, never seen one first hand. The Foxpro 5 has two speakers and for $700.00 it for [beeep] sure ought to sound like Frank Sinatra calling fox!!!
 
The FoxPro FX5 is the most realistic sounding caller available today. For calling highly pressured coyotes, I would recommend the use of two or three good quality coyote vocalizations. This is especially true at this time, because of the beginning of coyote breeding season. The problem with coyote vocalizations, is the fact that there are so many recordings available that just ain't labeled right, and a lot of them don't sound like real coyotes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I use the Wildlife Technologies call. To me there is no more real sounding caller out there. I realize this will probably open a can of worms, But this is my experience. The sounds on the caller are actual animal sounds, and through all levels of volume, produces the best sound I have ever heard. Any caller that has the quality of sound as the "WT" or the "foxpro" is not cheap. But there is my .25 cent. - okeytrapper
 
Gos, I am in west wa also, if you arent too far away I'll hook up and let you hear my Scorpian. You can decide for yourself
Carl
 
When you play it, do crows, jays cats or dogs go "nuts" around your area? If so, that's what I'm after. When an electronic call won't make a crow or jay react it just ain't right. When one of my hawks would take a rabbit down the sounds from that kill would bring in everything in earshot. That's the difference I'm looking for.


I went to Yelm HS in the 70's back when it was still a "cow town" with one blinking light at the cop shop. My buss driver (Mr. Kidd) would take my .22 and a box of shells from me in the morning then drop me off as he passed a spur of Tanawax Cr. for checking my coyote and beaver traps. Times sure have changed around there. My old Timberlands and hayfields that I grew up hunting and trapping are housing developments now.

Guess I'm getting old,
Gos.
 
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Snares! LOL



I would use them in a minute, but now they are illegal in Washington State without a special permit, and a contracted trapper to use them; Thank you Seattle!

Gos
 
i would agree that the sounds must sound real, i disagree that the sounds being looped makes a difference.... i do not believe that critters can tell a looped sound from one that is not.... anyway, I would say Foxpro has the sound you are looking for... I am now using the scorpion and other than in higher winds cant say I have used or heard a better caller.
 
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When you play it, do crows, jays cats or dogs go "nuts" around your area? If so, that's what I'm after. Gos.



Yep. My M1 Bandit gets that response from birds and other critters. It is hilarious to watch deer bound up to the M1 and then huff and snort and jump at it. Had a cougar talk back to it last year.

Ravens, crows, magpies, whiskey jacks and all kinds of small birds go nuts about M1 Bandit sounds, just like they do for my hand call sounds. I've heard the Wildlife Tech calls and they are superb, the best I've heard. I was not impressed with FP FX3 sounds though they call coyotes fine. FX5 has improved them. I need to do a side by side comparison with my friend's WT and my Bandit one of these days. Would enjoy a similar comparison to FP but don't know anybody close who has one. I'd rather hear it with my own ears, just as I need to look through optics myself.

If you really need to rid yourself of coyotes however, traps and snares beat calling, especially in Western WA.

The good news for consumers is that the competition has produced several good e-callers that meet your standards (and that would NOT exist were it not for competiton IMO). Choose the features and price you want.
 
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I was not impressed with FP FX3 sounds though they call coyotes fine. FX5 has improved them.



How so? The only difference between the 2 is the remote, remote functions and the ability to hold 200 sounds . The amp and speaker are the same between the two.
 
The Mark II library of sounds is far superior to any I have heard. If you want the very best realism available, hook up any of the Foxpro callers to a SPFR1 speaker, and you can distinguish the sound of bones crunching when the coyote clamps down on his prey. That being said, I have never had any problem calling in yotes with the onboard speaker on either the FX-5 or the Scorpion.
 
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I was not impressed with FP FX3 sounds though they call coyotes fine. FX5 has improved them.



How so? The only difference between the 2 is the remote, remote functions and the ability to hold 200 sounds . The amp and speaker are the same between the two.



My bad. I guess the technically proper terminolgy is that the new MK II sounds are said to be an improvement to the previous versions which were contemporary with the FX3 when it was the top FP unit. If that is not correct I am sure you will parse each word and bring the details up to PC acceptability for the readers of this quasi official FP site.

May I request that instead of elbowing me again, just tell us the right answer about what FP does. You've implied that MKII sounds will play on an FX3. I don't own one, don't know and don't care. I was merely trying to play by your rules and so typed that FP has improved their sounds. If I need to retract that or apologize for typing it, I do so.
 
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I'm in Western Washington State, so the trapping ban has the local coyote population going through the roof. Gos



Gos, missed your comment on the trapping ban my first time through your post. I thought that landowners had some leeway about trapping nuisance critters on their land. Maybe not, or maybe they have to kill a calf or pet first.

Good luck in going after them.
 
I haven't heard the FX5. I haven't heard any of the smaller expensive calls with the TOA speakers attached. So there's lots I can't compare. As far as right out of the box, Wildlife Technologies' call is what you're looking for.

I honestly don't know if it matters all that much if a sound is perfect. To a Coyote anyway. Even a Western Washington Coyote. It might, but I doubt it. I think it can sound a little off, have a little humm to it, have a little air noise, or whatever, and it'll work fine. Set-up of your stand is alot more important.

But you asked about "Sounds Right" (to you,) and I've compared WT callers to several others. No comparison. I had to go WT.
 
Coyotes have what I would call a"Tin Ear" ...meaning, they hear a sound, that to them, something is being attacked. What do you think a coyote would think if he had never heard a Cat Cry, would he not come to the call because it wouldn't sound right?

I have made some very ugly sounding calls on my hand calls before, and the yotes would still come in.

I have never worried how the sound actually sounds. Coyotes are pretty much like us humans in a way. You/me may like different foods because of the smell, a coyote may like different sounding animals for their dinner.

One time I got with in 60 yrds of yote, (had the shotgun) and he wouldn't come a foot closer when I was using a sqeaker call. So I swithced to cottontail hand call and BINGO.....I dropped him at 25 yds. I guess the mouse sound was not wanted to eat!

These new sounds coming out on the digital callers are really a big step up from Tapes.
 
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I was not impressed with FP FX3 sounds though they call coyotes fine. FX5 has improved them.



How so? The only difference between the 2 is the remote, remote functions and the ability to hold 200 sounds . The amp and speaker are the same between the two.



My bad. I guess the technically proper terminolgy is that the new MK II sounds are said to be an improvement to the previous versions which were contemporary with the FX3 when it was the top FP unit. If that is not correct I am sure you will parse each word and bring the details up to PC acceptability for the readers of this quasi official FP site.

May I request that instead of elbowing me again, just tell us the right answer about what FP does. You've implied that MKII sounds will play on an FX3. I don't own one, don't know and don't care. I was merely trying to play by your rules and so typed that FP has improved their sounds. If I need to retract that or apologize for typing it, I do so.



I simply asked for your clarification and wanted to make sure others reading the posts we getting straight facts.
 
Gos,

As you see, you will get a lot of different opinions on this subject. The most important thing to remember is that for the best sound reproduction from a digital call, there are many factors that have to go into play. First, you have to start off with the best sound. Now, what defines best sound? That depends on who you talk to. Some define the best sound as the highest technical quality, while others define it as the most emotional content. The highest quality sounds available today are recorded in 24 bit. Our Mark II sound library was recorded in 24 bit, and they exhibit the emotional content that many have come to expect. Recording sounds is an art all of its own. Having the proper equipment is the easiest part of the battle. You have to know how to USE it properly to get the desired effect. At what distance do you hold the microphone, how do you handle the mic, etc are some of the things that one has to know how to do when recording sounds. We are 100% committed to our sound library, and have proven that with all of the new sounds that we have introduced. Most other sounds in the industry are recorded at 16 bit, or less. Even the ones that are considered as studio grade. You can even take a 12 bit sound if recorded properly and get favorable results. However, they can not claim to have the highest technical quality.
The second part of the equation is the system itself (not the speaker----that's next). It has to be able to reproduce the high quality sounds. Many companies, in an attempt to conserve battery life (and some simply don't know), limit the frequency of sounds that it can reproduce, to a point that it sounds terrible.
The third part is the speaker itself. I always get a kick out of people that say they compare a pocket sized unit with a unit that has a large speaker. Of course the unit with the large speaker is going to sound louder. Does that mean it is a better unit? Absolutely not. For those that prefer maximum portability, the pocket sized calls are the way to go, as long as they can generate some volume. But, they will never sound as good as a unit with a large speaker. For those that prefer max volume and clarity, they choose a system with a larger speaker, as they have already decided that weight and size is not an issue.
Take our Scorpion, for example. It is a very compact unit out of the box (weighs in at 1.5 lbs with batteries and fits in your back pocket), yet generates more volume and clarity than most will ever need. Now, for those guys that have already decided that weight or size is not an issue (remember that other systems with large speakers weigh in at over 5 lbs and are bulky), we have given the Scorpion the ability to plug in a larger speaker. It is not just an external speaker jack that makes the difference. It is having the proper amp size to support the larger speakers without driving it into distortion (not enough amp=distortion for the most part--however too much amp can cause distortion as well). Now, they can add an external speaker (the SP-55 for example) which weighs in at less than 2.5 lbs, for a total weight of just over 4 lbs, and have a unit that is lighter weight, but puts out practically the same volume. If they need more volume, they can always add the SP-108Z speaker. Or, you could check out the Prairie Blaster in our new Custom Shop (or for that matter, have them build one for you to your specs) which has the SP-55 built in without having to carry it.
To sum up, you have some choices to make. Do you want maximum portability, maximum volume, or a combination of both. I hope this helps some. Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
 
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